Drunkle Frank?!?

[firefox390]

Why would Winona marry that idiot Frank?

I don't think she would marry her brother-in-law.

Then how would Frank be Kirk's stepdad?

 

[DarthPipes]

Because they re-wrote the character. Uncle Frank is no more and some other guy is Kirk's stepdad.

As a side note, I loved that they still have Nokia - well, really that they still have brands, which means they still have commerce, which means the old crypto-socialist meritocracy can suck it.

Heheh. I'm with you on that. Kirk paid for his drinks at the bar. McCoy noted that his wife got everything in their divorce...which means she acquired a lot of wealth. Suck it, Picard!

 

[gastrof]

There was always SOME type of economic system in the Kirk era.

Remember Uhura in the K7 bar? Asking Jones about the tribble? "How much is it?"

She expected to PAY for it, so there had to be money of SOME kind.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Because they re-wrote the character. Uncle Frank is no more and some other guy is Kirk's stepdad.

As a side note, I loved that they still have Nokia - well, really that they still have brands, which means they still have commerce, which means the old crypto-socialist meritocracy can suck it.

Heheh. I'm with you on that. Kirk paid for his drinks at the bar. McCoy noted that his wife got everything in their divorce...which means she acquired a lot of wealth. Suck it, Picard!

Picard and the "crypto-socialist meritocracy" are a century later than this movie. So that's a swing and a miss.

 

[DarthPipes]

It's a hit for me.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's a hit for me.

Your umpire needs glasses.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Because they re-wrote the character. Uncle Frank is no more and some other guy is Kirk's stepdad.

As a side note, I loved that they still have Nokia - well, really that they still have brands, which means they still have commerce, which means the old crypto-socialist meritocracy can suck it.

Heheh. I'm with you on that. Kirk paid for his drinks at the bar. McCoy noted that his wife got everything in their divorce...which means she acquired a lot of wealth. Suck it, Picard!

Picard and the "crypto-socialist meritocracy" are a century later than this movie. So that's a swing and a miss.

Well, yes and no. Roddenberry's statements on the subject suggest he was pushing Trek in this direction, as his own beliefs evolved. They were laying the groundwork for it with lines like "They're still using money, we have to find some (I know this can be explained as "paper money, but the concept seemed quite alien to them, which is in itself odd.) Then there was Tom Paris' comments about the "New World Economy in the late 21st Century," suggesting a retcon of Picardism.

Anyway, it was inconsistently handled, but let's hope this silliness doesn't re-appear.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, yes and no. Roddenberry's statements on the subject suggest he was pushing Trek in this direction, as his own beliefs evolved. They were laying the groundwork for it with lines like "They're still using money, we have to find some...

Roddenberry had no writer's input (or producer's) into the script for "Star Trek IV." He was paid a fee in exchange for offering suggestions which Bennett routinely ignored. The "money" thing is a set-up for a later joke, and most likely came from Nicholas Meyer.

 

[DarthPipes]

Because they re-wrote the character. Uncle Frank is no more and some other guy is Kirk's stepdad.

Heheh. I'm with you on that. Kirk paid for his drinks at the bar. McCoy noted that his wife got everything in their divorce...which means she acquired a lot of wealth. Suck it, Picard!

Picard and the "crypto-socialist meritocracy" are a century later than this movie. So that's a swing and a miss.

Well, yes and no. Roddenberry's statements on the subject suggest he was pushing Trek in this direction, as his own beliefs evolved. They were laying the groundwork for it with lines like "They're still using money, we have to find some (I know this can be explained as "paper money, but the concept seemed quite alien to them, which is in itself odd.) Then there was Tom Paris' comments about the "New World Economy in the late 21st Century," suggesting a retcon of Picardism.


Anyway, it was inconsistently handled, but let's hope this silliness doesn't re-appear.

Picardism...that's a great way to describe the Federation's socialism. I recall in DS9 Nog knocking Jake about Earth giving up their monetary system.

 

[GilmourD]

Anyway, it was inconsistently handled, but let's hope this silliness doesn't re-appear.

Back on the STARTREK echo on FidoNET (back in 1993-1995, pre-Intarwebnetz), we called that YATI.

Yet
Another
Trek
Inconsistency

 

[Phily B]

There was always SOME type of economic system in the Kirk era.

Remember Uhura in the K7 bar? Asking Jones about the tribble? "How much is it?"

She expected to PAY for it, so there had to be money of SOME kind.

Not on Earth I'm guessing or a lot of Federation colonies.

 

[Hermiod]

Truth be told, we have no idea how old that Nokia device really is. The car is an antique; for all we know the device may be an antique too (albeit obviously not as old as the car), and the Nokia company itself might be as dead as George Kirk.

Well, I for one hope not, but that's just me. However, the fact that the device still worked suggests that at least whatever communication protocols used are still functional.

"Frank" was Greg Grunberg, by the way.

Ha! Damn, he is going to be in every single thing Abrams does, isn't he?

Well, yes, what with them being best friends and all. The first time I was certain JJ was making a new Star Trek movie was when Grunberg hinted he wanted to be Scotty in a DVD commentary for Alias.

 

[cooleddie74]

Why would Winona marry that idiot Frank?

Chicks named Winona have fewer options?