Too much now is about identity this identity that. It's auguring individual thought into a chasm. You can't simply be, think, and appreciate when trying to fit a predetermined caste and subsequently nurture and defend it.
Spoilers Dr. Hugh Culber Despite Yourself Spoilers!
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They didn't brag about that, SMG bragged about it, at which point people pointed to Janeway and rightly mocked her for it.
That still seems to be unclear. They could have been talking about flashbacks, recorded messages, visions, emotional impact etc. There was similar talk regarding Georgiou.
But I hope you're right.
That was a twist (of his neck) that Dr. Culber didn’t see coming 
Janeway had a female first officer? Also, I doubt the actors are not told what talking points to bring up during interviews.
Well, Stamets is in sick bay with dead Culber, and Stamets is looking very Gary Mitchell-like, and Gary Mitchell had God-like powers...
...so there’s that.
HOWEVER, If they do bring him back, it was most likely the plan all along, and will happen soon, and maybe the way I described above. I doubt they killed Culber off and then only later decide to bring him back because of worrying about backlash for killing off a gay character.
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I'll just leave this here (also posted on the episode thread):
https://www.inverse.com/article/39984-star-trek-discovery-dr-culber-death-wilson-cruz-love
https://www.inverse.com/article/39984-star-trek-discovery-dr-culber-death-wilson-cruz-love
Too soon!That was a twist (of his neck) that Dr. Culber didn’t see coming
The thing is we briefly got to see a mentor even parental role with Georgiou to Burnham. We didn't get to invest in it too much BUT it was there. It was a positive. Then it was totally ripped apart. Culber and Stamets have/had given an example of a loving couple, again another positive. It's hard to find that in this universe so it's particularly cynical to present the positives for the reason of wanting it to trigger a greater emotion when it's taken away.
THAT being said this whole parallel universe is a cheat to reverse things after already messing with us. Culber and Georgiou could still potentially resurface.
Just want to add that Culber's choice to confront Tyler rather than go to Lorca makes complete sense for the character. Stamets' life is in danger because Lorca overruled Culber's professional opinion. Culber also makes clear that he sees himself as unwillingly complicit in actions he views as unethical. He's also just had a patient taken away from him. He absolutely doesn't trust Lorca. Given that Culber seems to believe the best and warmest of people until given reason not to (he puts up with the crotchety Stamets, after all), I imagine he might naively go to Tyler before Lorca, even given the possibility of a security risk.
There's also the way Frakes keys in on Stamets in both Culber-Tyler scenes, reminding us that Culber's mind is very much on the man he can't care for right now. What does he say to Lorca? "Maybe you wanted this to happen?" Culber's going to view himself as defender of the vulnerable right now, while being probably somewhat emotionally compromised.
There's also the way Frakes keys in on Stamets in both Culber-Tyler scenes, reminding us that Culber's mind is very much on the man he can't care for right now. What does he say to Lorca? "Maybe you wanted this to happen?" Culber's going to view himself as defender of the vulnerable right now, while being probably somewhat emotionally compromised.
It's funny how killing half the LGBT characters on TV isn't political, but pointing out that it's happening is.
You can make anything political if you try. Sometimes a show is just a show.
I'd rather just enjoy the show. That, and we know that
Culber's story doesn't end here...so relax dawg. There's other things to rally about.
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And sometimes a show is indicative of a wider cultural trend where one group of characters is the main target whenever a 'dramatic' death is needed.
The fucking primary show runner on DSC is an out gay man.
I'm sorry, but the likelihood that his intent is to allow a gay character to be the obvious "target" is extremely slim. I'd suggest you look for causes elsewhere.
Be patient. Story isn't over yet.
Isn't it? Only supportive gushing comments allowed
Isn't it? Only supportive gushing comments allowed
As opposed to predictable, mundane, endless negative comments from the same 2-3 people who are chagrined that the series doesn't have the same outdated sensibilities from the late 1980's?
Also, what I said wasn't "gushing" in any way. Culber's death was cliche because he was an extremely likable, sensitive, smart character that the audience immediately liked. It's done for drama. That's not gushing to admit it was a dramatic device (albeit an effective one).
But.....
1. The story isn't over yet, and since I'm not predisposed to dislike it, I'm gong to see what that payoff or conclusion is before I judge.
2. He wasn't killed off to shed the show of an over abundance of gay characters, which is what some are trying to push as a way to discredit DSC
Some of you people need to make up your fucking minds. Half the haters are crying because "SJWs shoving diversity down our throats" and the other half are bitching that the show isn't diverse enough and kills off diversity characters.
Never seen a more clear example of finding exactly what you're looking for to justify an opinion.
I feel they went down this route with Georgiou. When 'Discovery' was being promoted having two ships and two Captains, one female, was promoted. We were like how unique there will be the name ship Discovery but also this Shenzhou with the female lead and a female captain. Okay, out of the two captains Georgiou and Lorca odds were that IF one was to go it would be Georgiou. Move on. So we have a female Head of Security - Landry. She's the next to go only to be replaced by Tyler. I was surprised with Stamets/Culber that if one were to die it was Culber, but I don't see why he had to die. His death required him to be VERY STUPID. Just like Landry. So all this might be balanced out with a 'replacement' Culber or Georgiou, a mirror universe one perhaps. But it still leaves a bad taste how dumb these guys deaths were.
Scotty, Spock and NuKirk say hello.
I feel they went down this route with Georgiou. When 'Discovery' was being promoted having two ships and two Captains, one female, was promoted. We were like how unique there will be the name ship Discovery but also this Shenzhou with the female lead and a female captain. Okay, out of the two captains Georgiou and Lorca odds were that IF one was to go it would be Georgiou. Move on. So we have a female Head of Security - Landry. She's the next to go only to be replaced by Tyler. I was surprised with Stamets/Culber that if one were to die it was Culber, but I don't see why he had to die. His death required him to be VERY STUPID. Just like Landry. So all this might be balanced out with a 'replacement' Culber or Georgiou, a mirror universe one perhaps. But it still leaves a bad taste how dumb these guys deaths were.
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I hate to break it to you, but many, many untimely deaths are due to "stupidity." That's common life (and Darwinism).
It's also easy to call someone "stupid" when you have the near-omnipotent point of view of the viewer.
