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Were they THALS???

Exactly as xenophobic as the Daleks, but mutated into super blonde white people, instead of Jelly Fish.

Barbara almost ran away happily ever after with a Thal, and the third Doctor claimed that they were amazing at killing Daleks, but in Genesis of the Daleks they were interchangeable from the Kaleds.
 
Were they THALS???

Exactly as xenophobic as the Daleks, but mutated into super blonde white people, instead of Jelly Fish.

Barbara almost ran away happily ever after with a Thal, and the third Doctor claimed that they were amazing at killing Daleks, but in Genesis of the Daleks they were interchangeable from the Kaleds.

If only.
“That’s Voodoo that is!” Is the new “Where’s Benny?” And then some.
I wonder if “planet of stupid ‘aryan’ stereotypes” will raise the same questions about production choices as Code of Honour did for Trek.
Clumsy and nonsensical.

Whilst I am pointing out the obvious:
The Doctors role was played by a singer.
Shooting years ahead and the Doctor isn’t fully present in twenty-five percent of his first season.
Said singer performs the Timmy Mallet cover of Itsy Bitsy…. Was that choice possibly a dig at Timmy? He spends his time these days doing bike rides for charity, and is big on talking about his Christianity when they do so. (The whole set-up actually sort of resembles a dig at a certain sort of Christian that used to rent the whole of Butlins Pwllheli tbh.)
The Doctor offers everyone a lift off planet, and they refuse cos they have to go be like humans used to be — pretty cliched ending, but this time the only reason they don’t is cos he’s black.
Really?
Aside from the common-this-season rushed ending, with more questions left unanswered, does this ring true about any group of humans, including those that choose to be bigots, that exist anywhere? “Probable death or a hitch a lift in a Black Dudes car” would have even the BNP asking if they can ride up front and professing a secret fondness for Bob Marley in a clumsy attempt to get on.

If only it were a planet of Thals. Might have had something interesting to say.
 
Two Doctor-lite episodes in a row is too much for me. I need more Doctor in my Doctor Who.

Blame the Producers of "Sex Education" who forced him to go back for an extra month's shooting.

That has to be the darkest ending ever. Everyone's dead because they're too racist to let a black man save them and the one person on the planet who wasn't a total dick was murdered by our Sally Sparrow of the week.
 
Blame the Producers of "Sex Education" who forced him to go back for an extra month's shooting.

That has to be the darkest ending ever. Everyone's dead because they're too racist to let a black man save them and the one person on the planet who wasn't a total dick was murdered by our Sally Sparrow of the week.

She only said "You are not the Same"

Surely, they didn't know enough about their own history to know how to do racism?

Brave New World.

If there was a servant class from her own species or subjugated aliens, who may have had black skin, they would be allies to the dot, or masters of the dot.

They didn't just cast Davros, with feet, for comic relief.
 
She only said "You are not the Same"

Surely, they didn't know enough about their own history to know how to do racism?

Brave New World.

If there was a servant class from her own species or subjugated aliens, who may have had black skin, they would be allies to the dot, or masters of the dot.

They didn't just cast Davros, with feet, for comic relief.

The Voodoo comment was there to make sure we knew they were human.
It was really very clumsy.
But next week is Bridgerton. That will go well.
 
Another thought: I like the "parasitic monster consume human society" premise better when it was called "Gridlock." Obviously not a one-to-one parallel since the Macra consumed the by products of humans instead of humans themselves, but the similarities stood out to me while watching this episode. It was slightly more subtle with more engaging supporting characters and overall adventure.

Also: I have zero issue with the roles The Doctor and Ruby played in this episode. I thought it was an engaging and different role for them so I'm sorry everyone is focused on "Ugh, another Doctor-lite episode" aspect when it was more like "Doctor-supporting." I get it, we only get eight episodes this season and we want more of The Doctor but I like the uniqueness of his role in this one. Reminded me of a bit of Big Finish's "The Natural History of Fear" (although obviously that's one that could never be adapted visually and maintain the reveal).
 
See, for me, if the previous one showed us (or to me, at least) what the show could've actually been like under Chibnall, this one is the first episode that feels like it was written by the same guy who wrote Years and Years. A genuinely noir premise, presented early on and throughout as a deceptively gay satire or something.

Mostly I enjoyed it, but... we could have stayed less with that bitch, maybe had spent a little more time with her AND Ricky September (btw, the Doctor's insatiable in this one, right?!), since he was the more interesting person and could've driven home the difference between the two more. The ending is rather relevatory, but it feels like it would've been better utilized if the Doctor was actually present more to the story. Its like the Third Doctor's reaction to the Brigadier blowing up the Silurians in The Silurians was Pertwee's only scene after being away for that entire episode (not story, mind, just episode 7).

So yeah, I liked it, but muddled. I think I need to see it again to properly judge it again.
Reminded me of a bit of Big Finish's "The Natural History of Fear" (although obviously that's one that could never be adapted visually and maintain the reveal).
Exceptional reference for the tone of this episode, too. Both share a sense of despair and hopelessness, but obviously the former is a much more refined, more thought-out and better balanced story, and a better story as a result.
 
Well, now The Doctor knows how Martha felt when he was amnesiac in the past. But so many questions: when did Ricky started nor to use his dot and bubble? Did it started to become aggressive like Lindy's dot? When did the slugs arrive on the homewold?

Anyway those people that are fleeing have survive without the dot and bubble, I wish them good luck seeing as they can't even walk without directions and the only one who could have helped them is dead
 
Reading reviews around the old Bubble today it's amazing how many (white) people seem to think the racism came out of nowhere at the end, when it's quite obvious to people who do experience these sort of behaviours every day.

Still, it is funny that we're going from this to next week we get an episode set in the magical Bridgerton-esque past where racism doesn't exist.
 
Who among us initially thought the "dot and bubble" tools truly could not sense the slugs and the system accidentally directed people into the path of the creatures where they stood rather passively?

On a tangent, anybody think Character Options will release a figurine of this critter? "'Dot and Bubble 'Bug'" with "gobbling action"! Slide your preferred Character Options figure into the maw where it disappears! Growling and slurping sounds not included.
 
The life meter on the home world said "Zero" but we could clearly see a slug on the vid screen. Slugs don't count as life forms?

It also means that each colony world, of which there might be hundreds, had their own slugs, or each city on each world had their own slugs.

The attack was simultaneous.

Positioning the slugs to get everyone in one day might have taken years, during which time the dots would have been feeding the slugs not people.

Or?

Where did all the black servants not inside finetime go?

PS...

You grind a pepper bean up, and put it in a pepper pot.

PPS

Is Ruby a Disney Princess?
 
Another thought: I like the "parasitic monster consume human society" premise better when it was called "Gridlock." Obviously not a one-to-one parallel since the Macra consumed the by products of humans instead of humans themselves, but the similarities stood out to me while watching this episode. It was slightly more subtle with more engaging supporting characters and overall adventure.

Also: I have zero issue with the roles The Doctor and Ruby played in this episode. I thought it was an engaging and different role for them so I'm sorry everyone is focused on "Ugh, another Doctor-lite episode" aspect when it was more like "Doctor-supporting." I get it, we only get eight episodes this season and we want more of The Doctor but I like the uniqueness of his role in this one. Reminded me of a bit of Big Finish's "The Natural History of Fear" (although obviously that's one that could never be adapted visually and maintain the reveal).

What about the actual ‘Macra Terror’ xD
 
Reading reviews around the old Bubble today it's amazing how many (white) people seem to think the racism came out of nowhere at the end, when it's quite obvious to people who do experience these sort of behaviours every day.

Still, it is funny that we're going from this to next week we get an episode set in the magical Bridgerton-esque past where racism doesn't exist.

They had to put some clunky dialogue in at the end to make it explicit, because until then it was heavily on a “young people who use social media too much are all (a) arseholes and (b) camp as a row of rainbow tents” the same way the this-season-obligatory “oh the dead person went to heaven!” line in to make them also a religious group.
If it didn’t have the lines to make it explicit, any negative reaction to the Doctor could easily be read as not liking authority figures or interruptions to their inane nonsense.
Sure, you can look back and go ‘oh, there’s no black faces in the bubble screens’ but not sure many people would have actually been looking, and it’s not like TV in an eighty percent white majority would be *looking* nor that that couldn’t be a subtle dig at the kind of Mickey Mouse Club TV the whole lot seemed to have escaped from anyway.
Which could have been done as more of an actual point, and if they hadn’t rushed the ending, could have been an actual exploration of racism, as opposed to relegating it to ‘the twist at the end’ and not really doing anything with it.
Capaldi was given more of a point about it in a two minute scene with a literal punchline, and McCoy had the beautiful scene in the cafe in Remembrance, and now a Black British Man is finally the Doctor, and while he goes full bore in his five minute scene, there’s *nothing there*.
And frankly I don’t think RTD has experienced racism, or been at the edges of it even, because it is *insidious*. It isn’t something throwaway. It is so much more unpleasant and complex than this made it out to be — and as (possibly, I haven’t sat through all the Chibnall stuff yet) with Rosa, and it’s Space Racist, Who is here presenting a world where that kind of bigotry exists in far stronger and basic a form, for far longer a period of time, than seems likely in real life or even usefully to the story in the show itself.
It’s taken a serious subject, that absolutely could and should occasionally be dealt with in Who (and was better done in Remembrance of the Daleks thirty five years ago) and used it for a gotcha moment, with no depth, and no reason.
But, we’ve had a lot of ‘reason lite’ episodes this season.
Who didn’t used to insult the intelligence of its viewers quite so often.
And the presentation and production style didn’t work half as well as when The Happiness Patrol did it on the cheap.
 
Reading reviews around the old Bubble today it's amazing how many (white) people seem to think the racism came out of nowhere at the end, when it's quite obvious to people who do experience these sort of behaviours every day.

After the episode last night, I suddenly realized why Lindy was so scandalized and immediately rejected them again when she figured out the Doctor and Ruby were in the same room, which I thought was odd (even though everyone was in their bubbles, there didn't seem to be a taboo about being in the same physical space) but didn't interrogate, trusting it was laying the seed for something that would become clear when I had more context.
 
If it didn’t have the lines to make it explicit, any negative reaction to the Doctor could easily be read as not liking authority figures or interruptions to their inane nonsense.

Nope. There were lots of clues prior to that, and not just "no black faces on the screens".

Lindy commits a number of microaggressions against the Doctor (cutting him off instantly at first whilst allowing Ruby), later not realising he's the same person she spoke to earlier because (paraphrasing) "you all look alike".

Then there's the aforementioned bit where she's shocked that Ruby is literally in the same room with the Doctor.
 
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