You don't see the burqa in France (I may have wrongly used the word), only the niqab. This one already is a problem.
You're new here. I can't hide my hate for religions, I always made it very obvious
Don't know what to think about the Burqa law in France.
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You don't see the burqa in France (I may have wrongly used the word), only the niqab. This one already is a problem.
You don't see the burqa in France (I may have wrongly used the word), only the niqab. This one already is a problem.
You're new here. I can't hide my hate for religions, I always made it very obvious
I try to avoid much debate, it brings out the worst in people.
I can see the burqa as a symbol of repression, but the niqab is not promoted by the Taliban. I believe it should be allowed as compromise.
It has been a pleasure talking with you by the way.
Talibans are not a problem in France, they're a problem in Afghanistan
The niqab is not better than the burqa, it also keep the woman from interacting correctly with society. It's not acceptable in a social République. It's one of the few differencies with America : we're not individuals, we're a society. We have to live together and actually, we depend on each other (socialism !). So yeah, sometimes, the society takes decision against a few individuals. [cliché] C'est la vie...[/cliché]
Talibans are not a problem in France, they're a problem in Afghanistan
The niqab is not better than the burqa, it also keep the woman from interacting correctly with society. It's not acceptable in a social République. It's one of the few differencies with America : we're not individuals, we're a society. We have to live together and actually, we depend on each other (socialism !). So yeah, sometimes, the society takes decision against a few individuals. [cliché] C'est la vie...[/cliché]
lol
Well, I do see what you mean. If the social contract dictates it, then it probably has to be that way. But I do believe such actions should not be taken without a long period of thought first.
Religious conviction... the great killer argument. Where does that justification end?
And my culture happens to make me afraid of strangers covering their faces. How 'bout that?
When actual damage is done to others, and I don't mean feelings. If you state religious tolerance is a value, then you are bound to respect religious practices.
And who is to say what culture is 'superior'? Making a judgment would be rather arrogant.
What if people don't want to interact with others? How can you force them to do so? And what about some non-Muslim who just wanted to wear one for fun or as part of a costume?
Talibans are not a problem in France, they're a problem in Afghanistan
The niqab is not better than the burqa, it also keep the woman from interacting correctly with society. It's not acceptable in a social République. It's one of the few differencies with America : we're not individuals, we're a society. We have to live together and actually, we depend on each other (socialism !). So yeah, sometimes, the society takes decision against a few individuals. [cliché] C'est la vie...[/cliché]
I just want to get you to understand that the clothes are not the problem. This law attacks the wrong end of the situation.
"My way to see things is the only way people should think"...If only it was just a cliché
But thank you to illustrate, someone had to do it and you were one of the best candidate.
I just want to get you to understand that the clothes are not the problem. This law attacks the wrong end of the situation.
Correct. They should also deal with the language issue. And stuff like forced marriage, honor killing, etc... . "Ooh, but it's a tradition!" - "Ooh, it's not a tradition in this country."
All right...now enlighten me here, I'm a bit confused (as usual )...IIRC, the French government seems to be doing this on the pretext that most women who wear burqas or whatever they're called, aren't doing it willingly, and are only doing it because some cultural requirement that isn't even part of Islam is making them do it, so the government believes it is doing the right thing because of that. Am I getting warmer here? If that's why they're doing it, I can sort of see the logic. I would hate to think that French people don't have the same kind of innate religious freedom we do.
)...IIRC, the French government seems to be doing this on the pretext that most women who wear burqas or whatever they're called, aren't doing it willingly, and are only doing it because some cultural requirement that isn't even part of Islam is making them do it, so the government believes it is doing the right thing because of that. Am I getting warmer here? If that's why they're doing it, I can sort of see the logic. I would hate to think that French people don't have the same kind of innate religious freedom we do.
It's also forbidden to run around naked in public. Stupid ruling. Why can't we just be free and do what we want?
That's the problem. Ask 3 Muslims and you get at least 4 interpretations of Islam.
That's the problem. Ask 3 Muslims and you get at least 4 interpretations of Islam.
It is related if everything you say can freely be recorded and interpreted. We may have near universal visual surveillance, but every attempt to ape America's invasive police-state laws regarding wiretapping and detention without charge have been rebuffed by an unelected body.
Blame the victim much? But this whole thread is getting a bit TNZ (though there's already one there for this) to get deep into that and I'll skip the rest of your nonsense response for the sake of peace.
You're the one claiming not to be worried about a real return of nazism, I'm saying you're living in a false paradise if you think even the Land of the Free (tm) is immune to the threat of creeping fascism - or haven't you been paying attention to the rhetoric of the right in your country over the past two decades and how much more mainstream (and extreme) it's been getting?
And I cannot understand why you'd allow people to publicly gather and march through a neighbourhood of people they publicly decry as subhuman and deserving of death when the only likely outcome is violence.
Dunno. Why can't we?
But this isn't even part of ANY Islam, that I'm aware of. It's strictly a *cultural* thing, that has nothing to DO with religion.
No, I probably wouldn't be. But if that brief occupation happened two or three generations ago, frankly I wouldn't give a shit.
And I'm Jewish.
How can you "desecrate" a song anyway? By singing dirty parody lyrics to it?
I realize English is not your first language. In English, "crime" simply means "breaking the law." (Except for very minor offenses like traffic violations, which are often called "infractions.")
I believe the following:
Freedom is objectively BETTER than tyranny.
Democracy is objectively BETTER than dictatorship.
Secular government is objectively BETTER than theocracy.
Social and political equality of the sexes is objectively BETTER than keeping women in an inferior position.
If that's arrogance, so be it. To quote Bill Maher, "Don't get so tolerant that you tolerate intolerance."
The actual percentage of the population that would look good naked is surprisingly small. I personally wouldn't mind if everyone was built like Brad Pit or Kelly Brook, but we all know what a typical American actually looks like.
Hell, most folks don't even look that great with their clothes on.
