Don't give money to the last Jedi remake projects

[Trekkin]

Are you guys kidding me here? I thought any reasonable person would be able to realize that the massive success of force awakens was because of the original actors reprising their classic roles and the whole "now this is star wars, not that prequels crap" vibe. Why the heck else do you think that movie was that popular????

Because people like me really enjoyed it and saw it three times? And I kinda enjoy* the prequels too, so that part of the theory can obviously be put in the bin.

Plus, there’s all the kids (and adults, based on some comments we’ve seen floating around here) that had it as their first Star Wars movie, and apparently liked it just fine.


*I hate the ‘prequel crap’ so much, that I saw it in cinemas, brought the discs twice, and have the novelisations. Oh, and watched/brought all the cartoons that directly spun off from them.

 

[crookeddy]

People liked it?

That many people? More people saw it than the total number of science fiction fans in the world. This was a case of people wanting to see what happened to their childhood heroes. Disney even knew this, that's why they were there! And Disney has a plan to slowly phase them out while introducing the new characters for a next generation to love. Unfortunately real life tragedy ruined their well laid plans, and now episode 9 is pretty screwed imo. It'll still be huge, but don't he shocked if it ends up missing out on the billion dollar club.

 

[crookeddy]

Because people like me really enjoyed it and saw it three times?

And I kinda enjoy the prequels too, so that part of the theory can obviously be put in the bin.

I hate the ‘prequel crap’ so much, that I saw it in cinemas, brought the discs twice, and have the novelisations. Oh, and watched/brought all the cartoons that directly spun off from them.

My experience is that most of the millennial generation skipped on the sequels. Kids saw them. And older people like us saw them (like 5 times)

 

[Trekkin]

My experience is that most of the millennial generation skipped on the sequels. Kids saw them. And older people like us saw them (like 5 times)

I am a millennial. That group nearly encompasses every adult under the age of forty.

Nice try.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That many people? More people saw it than the total number of science fiction fans in the world. This was a case of people wanting to see what happened to their childhood heroes. Disney even knew this, that's why they were there! And Disney has a plan to slowly phase them out while introducing the new characters for a next generation to love. Unfortunately real life tragedy ruined their well laid plans, and now episode 9 is pretty screwed imo. It'll still be huge, but don't he shocked if it ends up missing out on the billion dollar club.

Yeah, that many people. Do you think only SF fans watch SF movies? If the movie sucked, no amount of childhood nostalgia would have helped it.

 

[crookeddy]

I am a millennial. That group nearly encompasses every adult under the age of forty.

Nice try.

I believe 35 is the millennial cutoff?

 

[Trekkin]

I believe 35 is the millennial cutoff?

And?

I am a millennial. That group nearly encompasses every adult under the age of forty.

I know this is crazy, but...movies don’t make that much money without a lot of people going and watching them. When even the biggest Star Wars fangroups can’t max out more than a thousand active members, there’s no way the ‘old nostalgic hard core’ managed to knock up its gross on their own. No matter how many tickets they brought.

 

[crookeddy]

And?



I know this is crazy, but...movies don’t make that much money without a lot of people going and watching them.

Yup a lot of people who wanted to see the original actors.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Was there a poll? No one asked me as I left the theater.

 

[Trekkin]

Yup a lot of people who wanted to see the original actors.

Not me. Coulda knocked me over with a feather when Harrison Ford showed up in the initial trailer. I avoided spoilers, and he’d been saying ‘no’ for decades.

On the other hand, Solo would have been no more exciting to me if Ford had been in it. The familiar characters and faces certainly never made most Legends any more enjoyable. Hell, most of the ‘fans’ favourites from that line didn’t include the original characters (lookin’ at you, The Old Republic.)

Also: R1 didn’t have any ‘original actors.’ Nor did the prequels, outside of JEJ’s cameo and an unrecognisable McDiarmid. Still all made oodles, and picked up a new generation of fans.

Also, no addressing the fact that the actual highest grossing movies of all time obviously couldn’t bank of nostalgia? And still made huge bank despite having flaws like any other movie?

You’ve made a lot of claims in this thread that have been proven objectively wrong (‘highest grossing,’ the audience demographics, etc). I think from now on, I’m just gonna save time and ask for reciepts.

 

[Refuge]

Yup a lot of people who wanted to see the original actors.

I never watched the prequels in theatre. However I was so looking forward to TFA and mostly enjoyed it. Seeing the oldies reprise their roles was pretty important to me as a fan. I was really gutted when Han fell I wish I hadn't seen TLJ though. Kind of ruined things, I would've preferred it didn't go the way it did.

 

[crookeddy]

What the heck? That was a serious comment???

Force awakens is the highest grossing movie of all time. I didn't say anything about adjusted for inflation, or number of tickets sold. And then you went and brought up gone with the wind, a movie from an entirely different era, entirely different genre, and a movie that stayed in theaters for over a year. A star wars movie in the 21st century does not make force awakens type money without nostalgia.

Edit: talking to @Hela

 

[Trekkin]

What the heck? That was a serious comment???

Force awakens is the highest grossing movie of all time. I didn't say anything about adjusted for inflation, or number of tickets sold. And then you went and brought up gone with the wind, a movie from an entirely different era, entirely different genre, and a movie that stayed in theaters for over a year. A star wars movie in the 21st century does not make force awakens type money without nostalgia.

Adjusted or unadjusted, it’s still not the highest grossing.

Adjusted is Gone With the Wind. Unadjusted is Avatar.

Whatever you’re talking about (and I’m positive you’re talking about something,) it ain’t gross. Because no matter which way you cut it, there’s ‘modern’ movies that have grossed more. (Notably Titanic, because it trounced it both way.)

 

[crookeddy]

Adjusted or unadjusted, it’s still not the highest grossing.

Adjusted is Gone With the Wind. Unadjusted is Avatar.

Whatever you’re talking about (and I’m positive you’re talking about something,) it ain’t gross.

What???

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm

Are you talking about worldwide? I was only thinking domestic, since those numbers mean a lot more to the studio due to distribution costs.

Wait, are you not from the US? That would explain the whole misunderstanding.

 

[Trekkin]

Why on Earth would I only count domestic? ‘Means less’ or not, Disney certainly doesn’t.

Situations where the Int doesn’t count at all are usually considered desperate and epic fuckups (hi, Golden Compass), not the norm.

 

[crookeddy]

I've literally never heard an American talk about anything other than domestic numbers... I was certainly only talking about American reactions to the movie.

 

[Trekkin]

I've literally never heard an American talk about anything other than domestic numbers... I was certainly only talking about American reactions to the movie.

You heard of the last two Pirates of the Caribbean movies?

Then you’ve ‘heard’ people talk about international gross. Cos that’s why they exist. That last one in particular failed in the US, but made plenty for them from international take alone.

Disney is probably one of the few companies that hasn’t had to leverage away all of their international takings in order to finance and distribute their movies. At least, not for a good long while. It matters to them.

 

[crookeddy]

You heard of the last two Pirates of the Caribbean movies?

Then you’ve ‘heard’ people talk about international gross. Cos that’s why they exist.

I'm a box office nerd, so I know that, but most people are just scratching their heads wondering why they keep making those movies. The media did call the last 2 flops.
Anyway, worldwide gross is not what I'm talking about. For all I know force awakens was huge overseas based on it's own merits. Not so in the US though.

 

[Trekkin]

I’m inclined to take it with a grain of salt, considering there are Americans disagreeing.

And that that the adjusted for inflation list doesn’t even place TFA in the top 10 domestically. That’s mostly original material, some book adaptations, and the original Star Wars.

Even E.T beats it.

 

[Awesome Possum]

My experience is that most of the millennial generation skipped on the sequels. Kids saw them. And older people like us saw them (like 5 times)

I'm a millennial and so are all my friends. Everyone I know saw both sequel films and plans to see the third.