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dont get fluidic space

True, but I forgot to mention that when you consider that at the center of a body, be it planet or star, you don't actually experience any gravitational pull as there's an equal amount of mass all around you - up, down, left, right, in front, and behind - so you would essentially be weightless when you're in the same location as the center of mass.

Maybe in fluidic space, every location is essentially the center of mass, like how in normal space, every location is the center of the Universe. Of course pressuse density is another matter entirely, but it seemed to be negligible other than sending a compression wave.

The fluid in fluidic space would exert upon itself an unbearable pressure and voyager would have been crushed like a plastic cup in the hand of Hulk, a day when was really angry.
 
I never got the idea that fluidic space was water or even a material liquid. Fluidic in some way describes the dynamics of the spacetime of this dimension or region of the universe.

Yet that is exactly how Torres first describes it, before the crew starts using the term 'fluidic space' as a shorthand:

TORRES: I'm re-calibrating sensors. The entire region is filled with some kind of organic fluid. This isn't space. It's matter.

It is extremely unlikely that 8472 are the only life in fluidic space.

Again, the episode indicates exactly that.

KES: Yes. I can hear them. They're in a place where they're alone. Nothing else lives there.
CHAKOTAY: Some kind of parallel universe?

Of course, it can be that Torres was mistaken, and that species 8472 lied to Kes, or that the misheard. But still.
 
Yet that is exactly how Torres first describes it, before the crew starts using the term 'fluidic space' as a shorthand:





Again, the episode indicates exactly that.

Ach I forgot. It doesn't invalidate the rest--there can still be denser, fishbowl regions--but it does make me alter my thinking of what it looks/feels like.

I can't believe 8472 evolved alone. Too crazy. Maybe they wiped out everything else, but why would they exterminate nonsentients? Unless that is a long-view thing and they don't want anything else to evolve in fluidic space? Or maybe fluidic space is not their region of origin, possibly they migrated there from somewhere else?
 
Perhaps the last. IMHO, they don't look like they evolved in a fluid (having legs and all). (But then again, how would we know for sure).

Are there any planets in fluidic space or is it just fluid everywhere, sort of like the monean planet?
 
Just after they entered fluidic space:

PARIS: We've definitely left our galaxy. No stars, no planets.

Whether that would mean there are none in all of fluidic space, or just that they couldn't detect one in sensor range at that instant, I wouldn't know ...
 
Perhaps the last. IMHO, they don't look like they evolved in a fluid (having legs and all). (But then again, how would we know for sure).
If they did, that would argue for fluidic space not being uniform. Maybe there are areas where there are "stepping stones" made out of super-dense chunks of space that they would be able to walk on and leap from, hop around on...I kind of like that picture, it's very alien...
 
Yet ... I've never pissed my pants, laughing. Am I the only exception to the rule?

I have also never peed my pants laughing

What is wrong with you people?

Anyways soornge why do you keep posting with the inherent assumption people are going to hate you and pre empting it with defensive comments? Honestly, we give people a chance here before we start throwing faecal matter.

As for fluidic space.....it seems to be exactly the same as normal space but with nothing in it except 8472. I'd have liked a little more thought go into it myself.
 
Makes more sense that way.

I've often wondered how they came to develop planet busting weaponry that works in normal space if they evolved in a completely form of space with neither planets nor enemies.
 
Makes more sense that way.

I've often wondered how they came to develop planet busting weaponry that works in normal space if they evolved in a completely form of space with neither planets nor enemies.
I'd be more interested to know why we never see them walk on their three legs.
 
I thought the implication was that Species 8472 eliminated all other life in their dimension. Not that they were literally the only species to evolve there.

All other intelligent life, I could understand. But all other life ? That would probably be exceedingly hard, just as it would be for us to kill every single last microbe on earth. Besides, what nutrition does species 8472 use ?
 
All other intelligent life, I could understand. But all other life ? That would probably be exceedingly hard, just as it would be for us to kill every single last microbe on earth. Besides, what nutrition does species 8472 use ?

They're like the founders, they don't eat.
 
All other intelligent life, I could understand. But all other life ? That would probably be exceedingly hard, just as it would be for us to kill every single last microbe on earth. Besides, what nutrition does species 8472 use ?
Fluidic space itself? It's the only thing that makes sense in an otherwise idiotic premise. :)

That said, there had to be something about that realm that would lead them to evolve. If there was no competition for resources, they'd have been evolutionary complacent all the way back as single-cell organisms.
 
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I kinda figured Fluidic Space was made up of less evolved cells on the same evolutionary path that led to Species 8472, the same as 8472's living ships, only to a greater extent. The same as everything that lived in Fluidic Space before 8472 either killed it all or adapted it to their use.

Do you really expect the VOY cast to explore the sea, encountering All Creatures, Great & Small ... even interacting with them? The FX shoppe for VOY wasn't up to the challenge!
Do you want Seaquest DSV? Because that is how you get Seaquest DSV. :harumph:
 
I thought the implication was that Species 8472 eliminated all other life in their dimension. Not that they were literally the only species to evolve there.
If they are that rapacious then I don't see them doing anything but destroying, ever. But we've seen they can be reasoned with, make deals...and that's another thing. A sentient species that eliminated all other life in an entire region of space, presumably including sentient life, would have about zero diplomatic ability. But again in In the Flesh the fake Boothby shows fairly impressive diplomatic ability.

I mean, you have to work hard to not be considered prey by the Hirogen. Everyone starts out as prey to them. Now consider a race to whom everyone else is just a target for instant death.


I kinda figured Fluidic Space was made up of less evolved cells on the same evolutionary path that led to Species 8472, the same as 8472's living ships, only to a greater extent. The same as everything that lived in Fluidic Space before 8472 either killed it all or adapted it to their use.
Oh GOOD!!! Like this!
 
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If they are that rapacious then I don't see them doing anything but destroying, ever. But we've seen they can be reasoned with, make deals...and that's another thing. A sentient species that eliminated all other life in an entire region of space, presumably including sentient life, would have about zero diplomatic ability. But again in In the Flesh the fake Boothby shows fairly impressive diplomatic ability.
It all just goes to show how poorly the whole concept was. I *think* they were trying to show what our universe would be like if the Borg "won" by eliminating/assimilating all other life, which is why they were able to be so competitive with them. It just kind of failed miserably.
 
"Fluidic space" was only one stupid idea among many, like people that de-age, people that sleep all the time, viruses that grow, people living inside a rock, giant "pitcher plant" that swallows ships, people that make you forget that they exist...etc
 
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