Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

[Tallguy]

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I actually love 80% of the TMP uniforms. But the guy on the left shows that the onesies where not thought through.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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I actually love 80% of the TMP uniforms. But the guy on the left shows that the onesies where not thought through.

 

[Donny]

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That's just one of the things I always hear about how Meyer made the Enterprise so much more "military": He made everything more cramped. I will now call BS on that too.

Never forget: It was TMP (Phase II) that added a dedicated weapons console to the bridge.

Now that I think about it, Nicholas Meyer did modify the TNG corridors to make them more cramped for TUC. He added the "K Beams" and some overhead piping to the curved corridors. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

 

[Tallguy]

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That's just one of the things I always hear about how Meyer made the Enterprise so much more "military": He made everything more cramped. I will now call BS on that too.

Never forget: It was TMP (Phase II) that added a dedicated weapons console to the bridge.

Now that I think about it, Nicholas Meyer did modify the TNG corridors to make them more cramped for TUC. He added the "K Beams" and some overhead piping to the curved corridors. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?

Maybe that’s what other people are thinking of when they talk about TWOK. But it makes sense for TUC. It wasn’t to make the Enterprise MORE cramped than it was before. It was to make it AS cramped as it was before. (Although he's definitely going for a submarine feel with the dining room.)



There’s a shot in TUC when the ship leaves dock. Scotty is beaming with pride at his bairns and there’s a crewman at his side. The crewman is looking on in shock. I always laugh. I figure he’s thinking “What’s the TNG warp core doing here?”

 

[137th Gebirg]

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^^^ They also had a single transporter pad in the wall in front of that weapons console, too, IIRC. It was a really cool concept that TOS should have had in case the turbolift system shut down for any reason (as it was occasionally wont to do).

Yes.

Well, it's labeled as such ("bridge inner-ship transporter") on sheet 5 of 14 of the official TMP blueprints, between the weapons/defense station and the main viewer, and it's drawn as an alcove. Evidently, it's behind a panel, because AFAIK that panel is all we can see on screen. I don't know whether they even actually built it, beyond just the panel covering it up. Here are some screencaps showing that area:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0406.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0863.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd2469.jpg

It seems like an awfully narrow space to squeeze into, even sideways.

 

[Tallguy]

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It seems like an awfully narrow space to squeeze into, even sideways.

My memory has been jogged a bit: I don't think it's meant for people. More for equipment.

 

[Redfern]

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I thought that element was supposed to be the transporter based successor to the the original "food slot" dumbwaiter system in the original series, a kind of early "replicator" or rapid delivery system for supplies and equipment, not personnel. At least, I think David Gerrold described it as such in his "Star Trek Reports" column within Starlog when the production still wavered between the movie and the Phase II series.

Sincerely,

Bill

EDIT: Looks like TallGuy "ninja'd" me.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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The only hits for "bridge inner-ship transporter" (in quotes) in Google are right here.

 

[Donny]

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There’s a shot in TUC when the ship leaves dock. Scotty is beaming with pride at his bairns and there’s a crewman at his side. The crewman is looking on in shock. I always laugh. I figure he’s thinking “What’s the TNG warp core doing here?”

Ha. I was always wondering why that guy was so shocked.

 

[Donny]

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I take about 30 minutes to discuss my project (and my experience at the convention) on this week's Tricorder Transmissions podcast. Check it out below if interested; my bit is about an hour into the recording. Enjoy!

Also, feek61, I give you a shout-out to you in the podcast for letting me use your research for making the bridge display graphics!

http://www.thetricordertransmissions.com/pages/episode.php?ep=s13

 

[Nightowl1701]

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^^^ They also had a single transporter pad in the wall in front of that weapons console, too, IIRC. It was a really cool concept that TOS should have had in case the turbolift system shut down for any reason (as it was occasionally wont to do).

Yes.

Well, it's labeled as such ("bridge inner-ship transporter") on sheet 5 of 14 of the official TMP blueprints, between the weapons/defense station and the main viewer, and it's drawn as an alcove. Evidently, it's behind a panel, because AFAIK that panel is all we can see on screen. I don't know whether they even actually built it, beyond just the panel covering it up. Here are some screencaps showing that area:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0406.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0863.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd2469.jpg

It seems like an awfully narrow space to squeeze into, even sideways.

What's really funny is that, according to the Enterprise Flight Manual prepared in Feb. 1978 by Joe Jennings and Rick Sternbach (Apparently to familiarize Phase II/TMP bridge crew with the functions of the new consoles), the bridge transporter console is on the other side of the viewscreen (where the two crewmen are hunched over the console in the top screengrab quoted above).

Phase II bridge layout

Phase II bridge transporter console layout (fits the TMP screencap perfectly)

That little panel we're arguing over? They don't come out and say it, but...wink wink nudge nudge... That's the bathroom.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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Yes.

Well, it's labeled as such ("bridge inner-ship transporter") on sheet 5 of 14 of the official TMP blueprints, between the weapons/defense station and the main viewer, and it's drawn as an alcove. Evidently, it's behind a panel, because AFAIK that panel is all we can see on screen. I don't know whether they even actually built it, beyond just the panel covering it up. Here are some screencaps showing that area:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0406.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd0863.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp2/tmphd2469.jpg

It seems like an awfully narrow space to squeeze into, even sideways.

What's really funny is that, according to the Enterprise Flight Manual prepared in Feb. 1978 by Joe Jennings and Rick Sternbach (Apparently to familiarize Phase II/TMP bridge crew with the functions of the new consoles), the bridge transporter console is on the other side of the viewscreen (where the two crewmen are hunched over the console in the top screengrab quoted above).

Phase II bridge layout

Phase II bridge transporter console layout (fits the TMP screencap perfectly)

That little panel we're arguing over? They don't come out and say it, but...wink wink nudge nudge... That's the bathroom.

In the official TMP blueprints, that station to the immediate right of the MAIN VIEWER is the ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY CONTROL STATION.

 

[feek61]

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Hey Donny,

Great interview and thanks for the shout-out! That was a pretty cool thing to do.

 

[Donny]

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So, I've decided to go with a very strict TWOK look to my Refit Enterprise build, as you'll see in these screenshots below. You'll see I'm implementing a warm, tungsten-style lighting scheme. TWOK also has more visual goodies than a straight TMP build would have. The decals, the greeblies, the pipes...a very submarine feel. I like it, and am very pleased to be working on the Refit again while I'm inspired to do so. Maybe I should rename this thread yet again to include all Kirk-era Enterprises?

 

[Robert Comsol]

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Maybe I should rename this thread yet again to include all Kirk-era Enterprises?

Strictly technically speaking the it's the "refit" TOS Enterprise and I can think of other threads that cover both versions though the thread title only suggests "TOS".

Great images, the level of realism is breathtaking. I'm just trying to remember the turbo lift's Deck "G" (aka Main Deck 8) designation in connection with the transporter room door.

(i.e. the transporter room corresponds to the studio set location, but somehow I don't remember seeing a Deck G label on the turbo lift door)

Bob

 

[Donny]

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Great images, the level of realism is breathtaking. I'm just trying to remember the turbo lift's Deck "G" (aka Main Deck 8) designation in connection with the transporter room door.

(i.e. the transporter room corresponds to the studio set location, but somehow I don't remember seeing a Deck G label on the turbo lift door)

Bob

All decal placement is temporary, at the moment. This is just my "test" string of corridors, used to make sure all the different meshes line up properly, to experiment with lighting, etc. it doesn't reflect the final layout.

That being said, would "G Deck" be Deck 7, not 8? Also, I plan on loosely following the layout as depicted in Shane Johnson's Mr. Scott's Guide To The Enterprise, so by that rule, the transporter room would in fact be on G Deck.

 

[137th Gebirg]

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No reason that a transporter room couldn't be on G-Deck, certainly. No reason it couldn't be on any number of decks really - for a ship the size of the Enterprise and a crew of 500+ (plus in-dialog references in TOS), there's every reason to believe that there are multiple transporter rooms on multiple decks in the refit.

Beautiful as always, Donny. I'm honestly more interested in your refit layout now - was always my favorite design of all the Enterprises.

 

[Tallguy]

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Gorgeous as always. This runs real time? Seriously?


It would be interesting if you might call out what’s different on the TWOK set from TMP.


I remember watching TWOK a few years ago (as opposed to this weekend) and remarking what a greebly looking thing is on screen when they hear the distress call from the Kobayashi Maru. Then I realized that it was a detail of the bridge ceiling that runs all the way around the bridge! There are a few other TMP details that are like that. A real break from the super clean lines of TOS. (Floor of the transporter room, anyone?)

 

[Donny]

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Gorgeous as always. This runs real time? Seriously?

Seriously. And on my rig, at a smooth 60-70 frames per second.

It would be interesting if you might call out what’s different on the TWOK set from TMP.

The basic structure of the corridors are the same. However, there were almost no structures or decals attached to any of the panels in TMP. The production team on TWOK attached to the panels a number of various greeblies (seen in my shots), numbered decals, various information plaques, fire extinguishers (I have yet to model those), and very noticeably the pipe and control box fixtures on either side of the corridor junctions. It made it look more "lived in" and functional, in contrast to TMP's austere sleekness.

Also, it should be noted that TMP's corridor lighting scheme was very cool and floursecent (except for the Engineering deck where it was very very blue), whereas in TWOK the lighting had a much warmer tungsten feel.

 

[Nightowl1701]

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It would be interesting if you might call out what’s different on the TWOK set from TMP.

The basic structure of the corridors are the same. However, there were almost no structures or decals attached to any of the panels in TMP. The production team on TWOK attached to the panels a number of various greeblies (seen in my shots), numbered decals, various information plaques, fire extinguishers (I have yet to model those), and very noticeably the pipe and control box fixtures on either side of the corridor junctions. It made it look more "lived in" and functional, in contrast to TMP's austere sleekness.

In other words, the finishing touches they didn't have time for in drydock in the first movie.