Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors
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Yep - kitbashes... and many quite a bit worse offenses than anything FJ did.
In TOS we saw no Starfleet ship other than a sister of Enterprise. And in TAS we only saw boats. So we never saw another “ship of the line” type vessel other than a Constitution until Franz Joseph. It is thus unfair to say he deviated from the nacelle paradigm. In reality, he was going along with what was shown on those Constitutions. Saucers.
Would not TAS’ Bonaventure have been considered a ship of the line in her day?
Probably a bad example, considering it was drawn to look like it was a direct evolutionary predecessor to the Connie’s.
Probably a bad example, considering it was drawn to look like it was a direct evolutionary predecessor to the Connie’s.
Funny, I thought it was drawn to look like the designer was a parsec high on drugs.
It is a little funky looking, yes. Although I have a soft spot for it, and wish Eaglemoss would do a model of it.
Actually a good chunk (all?) of the Time Trap ship were rejected designs from Beyond the Farthest Star. Bob Kline (I hope I have the right guy) was told to design a derelict space ship without being given any details of the script. At one point he assumed it would be another Fed ship. Talk about the road not traveled!
It's possible that the panels are color coded in different shades to simplify replacement somehow.I think we should fire all the painters at space docks. They are incapable at matching a light grey paint shade from one panel/section of the hull with the next ones. When did a uniform hull paint job go out of style?
Whipped up the Starliner transport container today (@Bill Thompson, these are for you!). I experimented with adorning the sides with windows, but it just looked wrong. I'm not sure why, so I reverted back to just the simple, singluar row of windows on the bow, corresponding to where the recreation/dancing room is in the FJ deck plans of the container.
I also interpreted the 4 smaller dishes in front and the 2 on the rear to be inset into the bulkheads, similar to those found on the Eaglesmoss version of the Daedalus-class. And for those unfamiliar with FJ's plans, those are gangway hatches in very center of the bow and stern.
Oh, and you'll notice that I've resisted the urge to add any sort of glow coming from the impulse engines of any of my TOS starships, including this container. We never saw impulse engines lit-up in any way on the Enterprise until Remastered, so I feel compelled to keep them dark.
I also interpreted the 4 smaller dishes in front and the 2 on the rear to be inset into the bulkheads, similar to those found on the Eaglesmoss version of the Daedalus-class. And for those unfamiliar with FJ's plans, those are gangway hatches in very center of the bow and stern.
Oh, and you'll notice that I've resisted the urge to add any sort of glow coming from the impulse engines of any of my TOS starships, including this container. We never saw impulse engines lit-up in any way on the Enterprise until Remastered, so I feel compelled to keep them dark.
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Wow. 
That's amazing. It may look like a simple design to some, but a fair part of my youth was spent mentally walking every corridor of every deck of a Starliner. I dreamt about them. I made up fanfic about them, before 'fanfic' was a word. To see one 'for real' after all this time gave me honest-to-goodness chills. (There may have been tears too, but I won't confirm or deny that.) Thanks, Donny! 
That's amazing. It may look like a simple design to some, but a fair part of my youth was spent mentally walking every corridor of every deck of a Starliner. I dreamt about them. I made up fanfic about them, before 'fanfic' was a word. To see one 'for real' after all this time gave me honest-to-goodness chills. (There may have been tears too, but I won't confirm or deny that.) Thanks, Donny!
Looks like the makins' for a proper "remastered" Star Trek to me!
Started on a TOS Miranda tonight. Just roughing it out so far.
This one is going to take a bit more time than the previous few, seeing that I'll have to concept the details myself. I'll be honest, @Prologic9's TOS Miranda floored me the first time I saw it, and (with his permission), I'd like to borrow some of his unique design elements from it, while putting my own touch on other things. While I do want to mount the deflector on the rollbar as he (and @aridas sofia) has, I'm going to model the deflector housing differently, most likely without that Saratoga sensor pod dish on the rear. I'm mounting the impulse engines in a more traditional spot, between the two flight decks. I'm also sticking to the trapezoidal shaped flight deck entrances rather than squaring them off as he did.
This one is going to take a bit more time than the previous few, seeing that I'll have to concept the details myself. I'll be honest, @Prologic9's TOS Miranda floored me the first time I saw it, and (with his permission), I'd like to borrow some of his unique design elements from it, while putting my own touch on other things. While I do want to mount the deflector on the rollbar as he (and @aridas sofia) has, I'm going to model the deflector housing differently, most likely without that Saratoga sensor pod dish on the rear. I'm mounting the impulse engines in a more traditional spot, between the two flight decks. I'm also sticking to the trapezoidal shaped flight deck entrances rather than squaring them off as he did.
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Your starliner is tasty. I still think they look like Starfleet is shipping people in a space-going boxcar, but the modeling and detailing is superb. Very much looking forward to your take on a TOS Miranda.
You're far more skilled at texturing and surfacing than I am, but the Surya was the hardest ship to unwrap that I've done so far. Probably not even a speed bump for you. 
It's interesting to see this ship with a TOS production era bridge. It gives the whole shape a different flow for some reason. It will be cool to see how you design the pylons.
For me, I think the roll bar works fantastically well on the Reliant, but (so far) I've never liked it as much on TOS era ships. But I wouldn't be surprised if you're about to prove me wrong!
It's interesting to see this ship with a TOS production era bridge. It gives the whole shape a different flow for some reason. It will be cool to see how you design the pylons.
For me, I think the roll bar works fantastically well on the Reliant, but (so far) I've never liked it as much on TOS era ships. But I wouldn't be surprised if you're about to prove me wrong!
When I created my Avenger, I was bound by Surya’s lines. I just extended the hangar aft, opened up the hull to expose the venting apparatus, swapped pylons, and added a rollbar. It worked because Surya was originally conceived with Reliant’s lines in mind. Whatever you do, I would recommend similar thinking - keep the angles close to Reliant’s.
You know, my thought once I'd modeled it was "Great. It looks like a Starfleet School Bus"
I still want to follow his lead (and my own lead with my previous TOS ships) to not depict any visible weapons on the Miranda, since there were no visible weapon hardpoints on the filming model of the Enterprise. So that negates placing a torpedo launcher on the rollbar, as on the Reliant. So I've decided on a deflector/sensor pod and will experiment with a few different designs. I was even thinking about adding in some of those smaller, recessed dishes (like I depicted on the Starliner) into the eventual deflector housing, flanking each side of the larger dish.Niiice! I'm also a fan of Prologic's take on the Miranda, though I prefer the direction you're taking it by making it more of a direct "TOS version" of the canon ship, thus making it more plausible as a pre-refit version of the same craft.
My biggest question is the rollbar itself. I was thinking of giving it and a colored leading edge and a more stream-lined cross-section than Prologic9's roll bar, perhaps analogous to Enterprise's dorsal somewhat. And maybe the Enterprise's nacelle pylon vents could be inset into the upper surface of the roll bar too.
One detail I really like about Prologic9's version are the connection structures between the pylons and nacelles. Those just give it a classy look. I'll probably be
Oh, I'm building this on top of the same schematic I used when building the Miranda-class model for Star Trek: Online. So I'm following the angles as closely as I can.
I admit I'm going to have to prove myself wrong as well! Venturing outside of what's been established, either by the show or another artist, is always a point of anxiety for me. Although I've gotten more comfortable as of late, I still feel that my raw design skills are weak compared to my skills at crafting something that's already been designed. I doubt my ability to come up with an original roll bar that fits the TOS aesthetic, but I need to stop all the worry and trust all the people that have told me recently how well I nail said aesthetic.
You're not alone; I design my own ships and I've never been able to come up with a satisfactory roll bar concept for the TOS Miranda. Every attempt I've seen otherwise feels kind of forced in a design era that is remarkable for its stark minimalism. I think the rollbar can be omitted entirely.
The sweeping angles of the Refit Enterprise give the angles and precedent necessary for the Reliant's photon pod, but transplanting the Reliant's rollbar onto a TOS hull feels pretty jarring. Same with making angled engine pylons... Enterprise's weren't, why should they for a faux TOS Reliant? The Ptolemy essentially does the engine arrangement of the Miranda and also looks decently good. Why not use that, if not straight down?
That's where I'm coming from; all this forethought stops me from making serious attempts. Good luck Donny, let's see what you come up with!
It's a 23rd century interstellar cruise ship. The look of the interior is far more important.
