Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors
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True. How about I say that I'll model as if Desilu had a slightly larger budget?
Of course, you could also go all Phase 2 and make it a pentagon instead!
Ha! I didnt' even realize they had a pentagonal hatch in theirs.
Great work Donny. It's cool that you're modeling the corridor elements from different appearances. Would you consider doing a dissolve animation between different versions?
At one point in preproduction those pentagonal airlocks were all over the place - but can I find them now????
Anyway, here is one on the side of the P2 ship (just under the NCC-1701):
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/shaw/jefferies-phase-II-sheet-2.jpg
Eh, I'll have the earlier version sprinkled in on other decks.
When I made the initial statement I had completely forgotten that James Cawley used that title as well - until I came to search for images that is! I will have to dust off my copy of the book and do things the old fashioned way
So was there really a hatch at the top of the tube? I always thought there was an open flow of energy up there for some odd reason.
It was just open to the stage with a camera mount up there, as seen in TMOST.
In universe-wise, I never assumed there was an open flow of energy. I always figured it was just the beginning of a network of other tubes, which is why I went the hatch route. I may model other tubes later!
Gebirg may be thinking of the "similar" looking crawl-way depicted in "That Which Survives". It is there we have that notable sequence of Scotty trying to adjust the antimatter flow using a "magnetic wrench" while electrical discharges flicker within the confined space. Positioned horizontal and rather wider, it still had curved panels to the side, which could lead to the confusion.
The "That Which Survives" tube had an oval cross-section. IIRC, the entry hatch slid apart horizontally and the door split? had a slight angle to it rather than being a simple vertical. I think the regular Jeffrey's Tube depending on where it was could lead to a network of crawlspaces or it might dead-end into a much larger piece of machinery.
For some reason I think of ground stations whenever I see pentagonal openings and doors in TOS.
In anycase, spectacular work, Donny!
For some reason I think of ground stations whenever I see pentagonal openings and doors in TOS.
In anycase, spectacular work, Donny!
If I recall correctly the entrance to the service crawlway was the storage container from "The Trouble with Tribbles" that housed the quadrotriticale
Looks like they were two completely different hatches.
The storage compartment hatch in "Trouble With Tribbles":
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x15hd/thetroublewithtribbleshd1178.jpg
The Horizontal Jefferies Tube Hatch, from "In That Which Survives":
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17hd/thatwhichsurviveshd1010.jpg
The hatch opened:
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17hd/thatwhichsurviveshd1014.jpghttp://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17hd/thatwhichsurviveshd1014.jpg
The horizontal tube itself (Did they simply move a hex grating in place where the hatch previously was?)
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17hd/thatwhichsurviveshd1017.jpg
The way the shot was cut, Scotty is lifted in and it then cuts to him already pulling himself along with the hex grating where the hatch would be. You could interpret that the hatch closed and the grate slid in place between the hatch and the tube (there is room between the tube and the hatch.) Or you could interpret the two guys went and grabbed a free-standing grate (or hit a button and a grate lowered itself into place) outside of the hatch. Lots of ways to interpret it
The way the shot was cut, Scotty is lifted in and it then cuts to him already pulling himself along with the hex grating where the hatch would be. You could interpret that the hatch closed and the grate slid in place between the hatch and the tube (there is room between the tube and the hatch.) Or you could interpret the two guys went and grabbed a free-standing grate (or hit a button and a grate lowered itself into place) outside of the hatch. Lots of ways to interpret it
As you can see, the two crewman should have been visible if the cut is made immediately after they help Scotty into the service crawlway. Both they and the whirring sound of the hatch closing are absent. This suggests that Scotty crawled some distance and sealed either the hatch we saw or some other moveable bulkhead at the "aft end" in between cuts. The crawlway might be longer—quite a bit longer—than the set built for the scene.
Yep, that's the one I (mis)remembered. The human brain and its memory module is definitely an imperfect thing, especially as one gets on in years.
But I look at it this way, I just indirectly gave Donny a new area to model!
You're welcome!
Edit: Y'kmow, now that I'm jostling the old memory chips, I do have a vague recollection of a rare black and white photo many years ago (the kids call it "grayscale" now). I'm thinking it may have been in Stephen Whitfield's "The Making of Star Trek", of a view straight up the tube taken from the bottom. There was some kind of greeble all the way at the top and some kind of glow beyond it. My memory is very hazy, but it always stuck with me and was rattling around out there. My copy of that book is in a box somewhere, and I'm hoping someone here has a copy handy and can see what I'm talking about.
But I look at it this way, I just indirectly gave Donny a new area to model!
You're welcome!
Edit: Y'kmow, now that I'm jostling the old memory chips, I do have a vague recollection of a rare black and white photo many years ago (the kids call it "grayscale" now). I'm thinking it may have been in Stephen Whitfield's "The Making of Star Trek", of a view straight up the tube taken from the bottom. There was some kind of greeble all the way at the top and some kind of glow beyond it. My memory is very hazy, but it always stuck with me and was rattling around out there. My copy of that book is in a box somewhere, and I'm hoping someone here has a copy handy and can see what I'm talking about.
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in universe, Scotty is crawling deeper into the bowels of the ship, away from the hatch. On the set, it appears that Doohan is crawling back toward the hatch.
Note on the right hand side of this image (top to bottom): the dark bar behind the handrail, the groove, the single red pipe/stripe, the beige and silver cylinder, the yellow pipe, and the silver cylinder.
Scotty in the crawl way image
Compare those to the features we see when the hatch is open. If Doohan were sliding the same way on the set in both shots, we should see two red pipes/stripes and no dark bar instead.
Opening the hatch image
Was probably cheaper on the camera setup, etc, to do it that way.
Note on the right hand side of this image (top to bottom): the dark bar behind the handrail, the groove, the single red pipe/stripe, the beige and silver cylinder, the yellow pipe, and the silver cylinder.
Scotty in the crawl way image
Compare those to the features we see when the hatch is open. If Doohan were sliding the same way on the set in both shots, we should see two red pipes/stripes and no dark bar instead.
Opening the hatch image
Was probably cheaper on the camera setup, etc, to do it that way.
Yep, that's the one I (mis)remembered. The human brain and its memory module is definitely an imperfect thing, especially as one gets on in years.
You're right BK613 - they do appear to have filmed him crawling around the tube by having him turn 180 and crawl towards the hatch side of the tube.
When they open the hatch, the right side of the tube doesn't have 2 red pipes in parallel. In the tube interior shots, at Scotty's feet where the grate is at there are now 2 red pipes where they should have been visible when the hatch was opened. It's unlikely that they built two segments so having Scotty flip around and film it from the opposite direction with the grate does a good job of implying he crawled further into a longer crawl way.
When they open the hatch, the right side of the tube doesn't have 2 red pipes in parallel. In the tube interior shots, at Scotty's feet where the grate is at there are now 2 red pipes where they should have been visible when the hatch was opened. It's unlikely that they built two segments so having Scotty flip around and film it from the opposite direction with the grate does a good job of implying he crawled further into a longer crawl way.
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