Dominion Vs Borg speculation

[Stephen!]

If hypothetically, the Dominion had won it's war against the Federation, do you think they would have fared better against the inevitable Borg invasion than Starfleet did?

Obviously there would be no intervention from the Caeliar, since the Federation would hardly be in a position to send out Luna Class ships to explore the Beta Quadrant.

It's possible that for future Janeway, after 23 years in the Delta Quadrant, returning to an Alpha Quadrant controlled by the Dominion, traveling back in time would be the least of her worries, so the Borg Transwarp hub would never be destroyed by her past self and the Borg wouldn't have any reason for a mass invasion, but for the sake of argument, we'll say that doesn't happen

 

[Sci]

If hypothetically, the Dominion had won it's war against the Federation, do you think they would have fared better against the inevitable Borg invasion than Starfleet did?

No. Had the Dominion defeated the Federation, there would have been no alternate future Federation to create the transphasic torpedoes that proved to be Starfleet's only effective weapon against the Borg.

The Dominion might have made early use of Star Trek's various banned weapons of mass destruction -- thalaron radiation weapons from NEM, the banned subspace weapons from INS, etc., and might have scored more early victories against the Borg at first. But once faced with the 7,000-cube strong armada? The Dominion would have been defeated, too; they were more powerful than the Federation, but not nearly as powerful as Borg vessels.

 

[LightningStorm]

Interesting question. Before I go on, I'll go ahead and drop a reminder to avoid story ideas. I think we're OK so far though.

I wonder though if the Borg would have attacked the Dominion with such force given their MO was vengeance against the Federation, with them already conquered there'd be no one (or not much of one) to attack. Sure, the Borg would probably want to assimilate the Dominion, but their assimilation forces have never been that big so if they did attack I'd think it'd have been smaller and given the Dominion the ability to resist better. Though, I do think the Borg would eventually have prevailed there.

 

[ICW]

Imagine a Borg Jem'Hadar? Especially at the time the Borg grew more aggressive? That's one Drone I would not want to mess with.

 

[ConRefit79]

We know the Jem'Hadar would have rammed their ships into the Borg cubes. I think a Borg shape shifter would be more interesting.

 

[snakespeare]

Not sure a nanite would find much to affect in shapeshifter goo. I'm guessing that Odo would shrug off their assimilation, or shapechange to look like he's already injected.

 

[Cybersnark]

We know the Jem'Hadar would have rammed their ships into the Borg cubes.

"We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is--"
*wh-crunch*
*assimilate*
". . . Thank you."

 

[Turtletrekker]

IIRC, we saw a Borg unsuccessfully try and assimilate a founder in the 4th Mission Gamma book.

 

[David Brennon]

IIRC, we saw a Borg unsuccessfully try and assimilate a founder in the 4th Mission Gamma book.

That's true and while it was painful for her, she was able to crush all of the nanoprobes into one little pebble and eject them from her body.

The crew of the Defiant were at once happy and sad about this fact. Happy because the Borg couldn't get their mits on the Founders, afraid because what CAN'T these people do!

In any case, an assimilated Jem'Hadar would be one hell of a sight to see.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Just remember Worf's line from "Best of Both Worlds":

"The Borg have neither honor, nor courage. That is our greatest advantage."

Most of the Jem'Hadar we've seen have both honor and courage.

Just saying.

 

[Deks]

I have a question ...
Why do people overglorify Dominion's capabilities?
They were technologically on par with the Federation, and the only thing going for them was cloning of armies.
Ship production on the other hand was matched by SF as mentioned on-screen for one thing, and I don't see the Dominion faring any better than the Feds.

There is a question if ramming would work.
Borg ships hulls and shields are capable of absorbing tremendeous amounts of energy and punishment, or they can simply hold the attacking ships in place with their potent/shield draining tractor beams from all angles, and simply cut them out before getting to the hull.

As for assimilating the founders ... it's possible they could be assimilated with time.
But the Borg would simply exterminate them if assimilation is not doable and time is of the essence.

 

[langdonboom]

IIRC, we saw a Borg unsuccessfully try and assimilate a founder in the 4th Mission Gamma book.

I found that to be a tantalizingly great little tid-bit from that book, and it definitely made me want to see a more complete confrontation between the two nations, but alas after Destiny I guess we may not get that story.... Still, it was a great moment in that book. Makes me wonder if the Dominion had ever had any prior contact with the Borg in their long history.

 

[JD]

Well, there is still the Myriad Universes series, there are probably alot of universes where they are still around.

 

[LutherSloan]

Wasn't there an assimilated Jem'Hadar in that Mission Gamma book?

 

[Marie1]

Just remember Worf's line from "Best of Both Worlds":

"The Borg have neither honor, nor courage. That is our greatest advantage."

Most of the Jem'Hadar we've seen have both honor and courage.

Just saying.

Wasn't there an assimilated Jem'Hadar in that Mission Gamma book?

Nope, they were just dead.

IIRC, we saw a Borg unsuccessfully try and assimilate a founder in the 4th Mission Gamma book.

I found that to be a tantalizingly great little tid-bit from that book, and it definitely made me want to see a more complete confrontation between the two nations, but alas after Destiny I guess we may not get that story.... Still, it was a great moment in that book. Makes me wonder if the Dominion had ever had any prior contact with the Borg in their long history.

I'd guess that they hadn't, or the Borg may have been better prepared. I was kinda hoping that the Dominion may take a crack at the Borg in Destiny, but I'm guessing there wasn't time to get their ships to the battlelines, they'd probably have been a few weeks away... Probably for the best, I like my Jem'hadar to be... not space debris...

I have a question ...
Why do people overglorify Dominion's capabilities?
They were technologically on par with the Federation, and the only thing going for them was cloning of armies.
Ship production on the other hand was matched by SF as mentioned on-screen for one thing, and I don't see the Dominion faring any better than the Feds.

There is a question if ramming would work.
Borg ships hulls and shields are capable of absorbing tremendeous amounts of energy and punishment, or they can simply hold the attacking ships in place with their potent/shield draining tractor beams from all angles, and simply cut them out before getting to the hull.

As for assimilating the founders ... it's possible they could be assimilated with time.
But the Borg would simply exterminate them if assimilation is not doable and time is of the essence.

People don't overestimate the Jem'Hadar- we're just that good!
Ramming would work- especially if the cargo holds were packed with explosives. And since the Dominion has ships in spades, and can have adult crews in a couple of weeks, there's no shortage- and just the sheer numbers in existence.

The Dominion almost won- and it only had a limited amount of ships due to the mining of the wormhole and sabatoge. If they could prepare a fleet for a Borg invasion unchecked... the Borg would be in trouble.

 

[mackula]

Might have been interesting if the Federation had reached out to seek an alliance with the Dominion against the Borg. If they agreed, what would they want in return for support?

I imagine the Dominion would have put a pretty big dent in the Borg offensive.

 

[ConRefit79]

I think Ramming at Warp has a chance. But I remembered how they grabbed the Melbourne(I guess at full impulse) with a tractor beam and destroyed the saucer section in seconds (Battle of Wolf 359 - DS9: Emissary Teaser http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Borg_cube_destroys_the_Melbourne.jpg ).

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Melbourne

 

[snakespeare]

With all this talk about ramming the Borg, I think that idea has been addressed in Destiny.

 

[ConRefit79]

With all this talk about ramming the Borg, I think that idea has been addressed in Destiny.

Haven't read that series yet. Almost finished with Greater Than The Sum, so I checked out the Destiny series out yesterday.

 

[snakespeare]

Spoiler: FROM DESTINY

XO of the USS Ranger uses molecular phase inversion to get through the Borg's shields and ram them. So, presumably, it wouldn't work, you would just immolate yourself against their shields. The MPI trick is one of those single use items.

Yeah, I felt the need to read GTTS first, too. It was very entertaining.