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DOLLHOUSE 2x13-EPITAPH TWO--SERIES FINALE--Grade,Discuss,Spoilers

EPITAPH TWO, DOLLHOUSE series finale 2x13--What is your grade?

  • EXCELLENT

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • ABOVE AVERAGE

    Votes: 11 26.8%
  • AVERAGE

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • BELOW AVERAGE

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • POOR

    Votes: 3 7.3%

  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
I never saw 'Epitah 1' - Was the little girl supposed to be a clone of Caroline?

Above Average for me... Predictable, but I did like the shock of Paul's early death. The saccharine reunion at the end I could have been without. Besides, wasn't she supposed to destroy the chair???
 
I never saw 'Epitah 1' - Was the little girl supposed to be a clone of Caroline?

Above Average for me... Predictable, but I did like the shock of Paul's early death. The saccharine reunion at the end I could have been without. Besides, wasn't she supposed to destroy the chair???

She was an imprint of Caroline, they imprinted her in the dollhouse to help them find the way to safe haven.
 
I wish they had visitied the future more often than in just two episodes. Maybe they should have set the whole second season in the year 2020. Key events which had ocurred between 2010 and 2020 could have been covered in "Lost"-style flashbacks or something like that (so basically follwing the pattern of "Epitaph One").

But yeah, "Dollhouse" has really come a long way in a very short period of time. It starts as a show about people essentially being brainwashed to become better hookers or secret agents each week. And it ends with the same technology causing the apocalypse. :eek:
 
Yeah, fulfilled, sorry.

I never saw 'Epitah 1' - Was the little girl supposed to be a clone of Caroline?

Above Average for me... Predictable, but I did like the shock of Paul's early death. The saccharine reunion at the end I could have been without. Besides, wasn't she supposed to destroy the chair???

Most likely, she's going to do that later on, as she had gone to bed with Paul on her mind (having just gotten a sliver of happiness). Alpha had likely placed emphasis on the chair with this in mind, not really caring about the destruction of the tech right away.

Anyone else wonder how (likely) years after the world as they knew it end, they could still live within the Dollhouse for a year and survive? I mean, sure likely, Alpha fixed things up, restocked what he needed somehow, and the fact the Dollhouse could live on it's own if it needed, but I just wonder...
 
Yeah, fulfilled, sorry.

I never saw 'Epitah 1' - Was the little girl supposed to be a clone of Caroline?

Above Average for me... Predictable, but I did like the shock of Paul's early death. The saccharine reunion at the end I could have been without. Besides, wasn't she supposed to destroy the chair???

Most likely, she's going to do that later on, as she had gone to bed with Paul on her mind (having just gotten a sliver of happiness). Alpha had likely placed emphasis on the chair with this in mind, not really caring about the destruction of the tech right away.

Anyone else wonder how (likely) years after the world as they knew it end, they could still live within the Dollhouse for a year and survive? I mean, sure likely, Alpha fixed things up, restocked what he needed somehow, and the fact the Dollhouse could live on it's own if it needed, but I just wonder...
It was mentioned in season one that the Dollhouse used no outside energy from the city and recycled everything. The only major problem would have been food, which Alpha could have restocked. But Epitaph One showed that the power still worked and the water was still running. Apparently there was enough food there to keep Whiskey going.
 
Yeah, fulfilled, sorry.

I never saw 'Epitah 1' - Was the little girl supposed to be a clone of Caroline?

Above Average for me... Predictable, but I did like the shock of Paul's early death. The saccharine reunion at the end I could have been without. Besides, wasn't she supposed to destroy the chair???

Most likely, she's going to do that later on, as she had gone to bed with Paul on her mind (having just gotten a sliver of happiness). Alpha had likely placed emphasis on the chair with this in mind, not really caring about the destruction of the tech right away.

Anyone else wonder how (likely) years after the world as they knew it end, they could still live within the Dollhouse for a year and survive? I mean, sure likely, Alpha fixed things up, restocked what he needed somehow, and the fact the Dollhouse could live on it's own if it needed, but I just wonder...
It was mentioned in season one that the Dollhouse used no outside energy from the city and recycled everything. The only major problem would have been food, which Alpha could have restocked. But Epitaph One showed that the power still worked and the water was still running. Apparently there was enough food there to keep Whiskey going.

Yeah, that's what I had meant, but as far as Whiskey goes, it was never really stated how long she was alone (or when the world ended), but I'd imagine a single person who didn't eat mych (the actives didn't eat much at once from what I could see) could probably survive on very little food for a while, so who knows.

The fact the Dollhouse can cut itself off from the world and survive, suggest they have gardens somewhere.
 
You know, it was good to see Scut Farkus getting some work. I wonder if his old toadie, Grover Dill, is getting any kind of meaningful employment.
 
IDK, after a run of several excellent eps. in a row.... "Epitaph Two" kind of left me feeling underwhelmed. The previous ep. felt like the real series finale. Last night's ep. felt tacked on, like I was missing an ep. somewhere. Almost certainly because I never saw "Epitaph One".
These are pretty much my thoughts too, except I saw and loved Epitaph I.
I agree with the poster who said it felt like this was a couple of seasons' worth rushed into a single episode.
I understand why they had to do it that way, and it certainly wasn't a bad episode, but I was still a little disappointed.

One thing that bothered me were the unanswered questions:

1. What happenned to Whisky? How did she even get back to the Dollhouse to fulfill her role in Epitaph One.
Where did she go after Epitaph One. It seemed clear from the end of that episode that she didn't die. Even if you assume she did, it would have been nice for Alpha to mention finding her.

2. Why didn't any of them age in ten years? Ok. Just kidding on that one....sort of.:p

3. What happenned to Dominic? We see him awakened in Epitaph One. They put him back in attic so that they would have someone on the inside, so......?

4. How did the tech even get released?

5. How does Topher's pulse/bomb/thing keep people from being re-wiped again later?

6. If everyone could be reverted back to their original state, why did they keep hard copies of everyone's original personality and memories? Did Topher just realize that nothing was getting erased but simply pushed deeper inside like Echo? I thought she was unique.
 
IDK, after a run of several excellent eps. in a row.... "Epitaph Two" kind of left me feeling underwhelmed. The previous ep. felt like the real series finale. Last night's ep. felt tacked on, like I was missing an ep. somewhere. Almost certainly because I never saw "Epitaph One".
These are pretty much my thoughts too, except I saw and loved Epitaph I.
I agree with the poster who said it felt like this was a couple of seasons' worth rushed into a single episode.
I understand why they had to do it that way, and it certainly wasn't a bad episode, but I was still a little disappointed.

One thing that bothered me were the unanswered questions:

1. What happenned to Whisky? How did she even get back to the Dollhouse to fulfill her role in Epitaph One.
Where did she go after Epitaph One. It seemed clear from the end of that episode that she didn't die. Even if you assume she did, it would have been nice for Alpha to mention finding her.

2. Why didn't any of them age in ten years? Ok. Just kidding on that one....sort of.:p

3. What happenned to Dominic? We see him awakened in Epitaph One. They put him back in attic so that they would have someone on the inside, so......?

4. How did the tech even get released?

5. How does Topher's pulse/bomb/thing keep people from being re-wiped again later?

6. If everyone could be reverted back to their original state, why did they keep hard copies of everyone's original personality and memories? Did Topher just realize that nothing was getting erased but simply pushed deeper inside like Echo? I thought she was unique.

1. While not explicitly stated...
It is implied that Whiskey actually died, and I agree some sort of mention would have been nice... but they may not hafe felt the need for it. As for how she got to the Dollhouse, I figured they rescued her after "The Hollow Men" and erased Clyde 2.0 from her mind. Such as it is, wherein Amy Acker could only appear in three episodes of the season, and that was "Vows" "Getting Closer" and "The Hollow Men"

2. Echo had gray hair...but in all seriousness, considering the "type" of people they look for in the actives, most seemed to be late teens to early twenties when joining. This would imply many of them are in their early to mid thirties as of "Epitaph Two"

3. Dominic...
was released again prior to the events of "Epitaph One" his discussion with Adelle suggest that this happened prior to the fortification/abandonment of the Dollhouse, but after the mass wiping began. After that, it's not made clear, but some thing he may have gone out to fight, and was either killed, wiped or imprinted, something along those lines. A mention would have been nice, I agree.

4. Not quite sure, it was likely going to get out there anyway, or the remains of the Rossum Corporation did something, Clyde's odd line to Echo in "Epitaph Two" suggests that it got out because of her and the blowing up the HQ thing.

5. It probably doesn't. thus the urgent need to destroy the remaining tech as soon as they possibly can. With the massive wiping/restart that Tophers tech does, it's hoped that Clyde and the like are wiped from their current host(s) and not backed up into someone in a "safe" place.

6. I'm not quite sure what you mean here, did you mean in the finale, or in general? If in general, it's because Topher realized he can "roll back" before the imprinting only recently, not realizing all along you truely can remove the active infrastructure after all.
 
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