Dollhouse 2x1 "Vows" Season 2 Debut *Spoilers HIGHLY likely*

[Captain Craig]

I still want to know if the S2 opener is up/down from S1 closer?

Reality also tells us that shows that have only 2.5 million viewers don't usually suddenly become popular, no matter how good they are.

Two Words: Mad Men
Its ratings were worse actually, then a bunch of awards were piled onto it.

While not as low 30 Rock had a dismal 1st season comparitvely to what normally gets a show the ax. It wins some, undeserved IMO, Emmys and suddenly people are tuning in.

The commonality obviously is critical acclaim+awards which Dollhouse didn't get.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I still want to know if the S2 opener is up/down from S1 closer?

From what I've read, down, but fairly close.

Reality also tells us that shows that have only 2.5 million viewers don't usually suddenly become popular, no matter how good they are.

Two Words: Mad Men
Its ratings were worse actually, then a bunch of awards were piled onto it.

While not as low 30 Rock had a dismal 1st season comparitvely to what normally gets a show the ax. It wins some, undeserved IMO, Emmys and suddenly people are tuning in.

The commonality obviously is critical acclaim+awards which Dollhouse didn't get.

Isn't Mad Men on cable? So that's not really comparable.

 

[Captain Craig]

^^
Well some 75%+ of households have cable and since Mad Men now gets 4-5million viewers while Dollhouse can't break 3million in its debut try telling me again where the cable disadvantage is?

Do you know where I can see the numbers to compare the DH closer/opener?

 

[Mr Light]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollhouse_episodes Season One Finale: 2.75 million, which was a new series low. Season Two Premiere: 2.56 million, which is also a new series low.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dollhouse_episodes#Season_1:_2009
Ratings are included on that wiki link

Not particularly that cable is at a disadvantage so much as it generally has lower ratings so he shows are produced on a budget meeting those lower expectations... so lower ratings can mean they're a big success for a cable channel,

 

[NileQT87]

Loved Amy Acker and Fran Kranz as usual. They're the stars of the show, IMO.

Loved seeing Alexis Denisof. I'm still getting used to his American accent. The amazing thing is that his fake British accent is more convincing and natural-sounding than his actual American one. His American still doesn't sound right. It's just bizarre. He did live in England for a fair amount of time and I don't think his real American accent ever fully returned. In the other faking cases of accents, the natural one doesn't actually come off as totally bizarre as his does.

 

[Rii]

Blah, I'm done with this. DeWitt's haircut was the last straw.

It was pretty intense at times.. the scene with Topher and Saunders had me on edge (in a good way)

Easily the best scene of the episode.

Topher: You're human.
Saunders: Don't flatter yourself

 

[Tomato]

I found this even more boring than Defying Gravity. The weird thing is that I don't know where the show is going. I'm happy to see Alexis get more screen time but I don't care where that arc appears to be going.

 

[Lindley]

The weird thing is that I don't know where the show is going.

That's the easy part. Epitaph One showed us exactly where it's going.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Loved seeing Alexis Denisof. I'm still getting used to his American accent. The amazing thing is that his fake British accent is more convincing and natural-sounding than his actual American one. His American still doesn't sound right. It's just bizarre. He did live in England for a fair amount of time and I don't think his real American accent ever fully returned. In the other faking cases of accents, the natural one doesn't actually come off as totally bizarre as his does.

Agreed. I also don't think James Marsters sounds right with an American accent.

Meanwhile, you look at actors like Christian Bale & Jamie Bamber, their American accents are flawlessly convincing. Their real accents also sound good but they do seem like completely different people. (Almost as if they've been imprinted with different personalities...)

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Well, we might be entering an age where, thanks to DVD sales and legal online viewing sites like hulu.com, ratings do not play as critical a role as always. A cheap to produce show like Dollhouse, with steady sales and hulu views, might just get a third or even fourth season.

I read somewhere that the show wasn't doing too well in Season 1 but was a big hit as an online download.

Does anyone know how many episodes of season 2 have actually been produced?

This show is likely going to get yanked before it airs a whole second season, unless something pretty spectacular happens. But i'd imagine the ratings are going to go down, not up.

I'd like to know if we are going to see a whole season 2 on DVD though.

^ Thanks, I wasn't sure if that was something Fox are actually committed to or not though.

I don't trust FOX unless the episodes are in the can. Remember, this is the network that promised 13 episodes for the 2nd season of Tru Calling only to shut down production after episode 6. It didn't end on a cliffhanger. It didn't end on anything.

 

[Captain Craig]

The weird thing is that I don't know where the show is going.

That's the easy part. Epitaph One showed us exactly where it's going.

Ditto. Find E1 and watch that Tomato it should sharpen things up for you quite a bit.

I read somewhere that the show wasn't doing too well in Season 1 but was a big hit as an online download.

I recall that as well.
What I'm curious about now is with the Friday night schedule what will its DVR/TIVO ranking be and how might that boost overall ratings. Those have taken up to a week later to report. I know a couple people who had plans and DVR'd the premier.

 

[RoJoHen]

I read somewhere that the show wasn't doing too well in Season 1 but was a big hit as an online download.

I recall that as well.
What I'm curious about now is with the Friday night schedule what will its DVR/TIVO ranking be and how might that boost overall ratings. Those have taken up to a week later to report. I know a couple people who had plans and DVR'd the premier.

Everybody I know who has watched it has really enjoyed it, but nobody has watched it on TV. It's either TiVo or Netflix or iTunes or something else, and I'm getting a little tired of that having such a negative impact on shows.

I simply don't center my life around TV broadcasts. I watch things when I have time.

 

[Captain Craig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollhouse_episodes Season One Finale: 2.75 million, which was a new series low. Season Two Premiere: 2.56 million, which is also a new series low.

Over in General Media the Friday Ratings thread has the Premiere listed as 2.70 million, which is more or less hold even from S1 finale. Source Nielson Media vs Wiki's no source mentioned.

Still I was hoping for a boost after the S1 DVD release perhaps enticing more to tune in.
Like RoJoHen though more and more choose to watch when they want to, I do hope these other viewing times are being monitored and tracked as 'unique views' to add to its viewership in some manner.

 

[zengoth]

nicely done - Joss knows how to make his season openers set the tone for what's to come. Instead of Echo's trick-of-the-day, her assignments now propel the main arc along. Paul becoming her handler was inevitable (altho I hope it doesnt descend into doomed romance 2 soon - i do imagine we will get an episode where Echo is "programmed" to come onto Paul as a test to see what he'll do...)

Amy Acker once again and always rocks when she plays crazy and dogkicked. I understand she won't be around for the whole season due to other commitments, but we know Whiskey sticks around til 2019! Hopefully this won't be Claire's only s2 appearance.

In a few years, a show like Dollhouse will get more respect. Networks will learn to factor in the dvd sales, rentals, tivos and hulus into their bottom lines. I agree with the post that said they didnt have time to watch tv on the network's schedule. If I am dooming all my favorite shows to failure by refusing to watch them when the network tells me to, well then - that's a definite glitch in the system. I refuse to pay for cable tv when there are plenty of other alternatives.

 

[Mr Light]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/741105342 First half hour was 2.70 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4). Second half hour was 2.43 million (#4), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4). Average the two and you get 2.56

 

[ClayinCA]

Hopefully this won't be Claire's only s2 appearance.

They've got Amy Acker for three episodes for sure this season. As to when in the season those appearances will be, I don't think that's been announced.