Dogfight:BSG Viper vs SG F-302

[Silversmok3]

Im posting a question ive wondered about recently:

If a Stargate universe F-302 were to go against a colonial Viper (nuBSG) , and you were FORCED to pick one in a dogfight duel to the death, which ship would you choose and why.

Id wager the 302, simply because the naquadah AMRAAM missiles give it a better kill range than the Viper's plasma cannons.
And that hyperdrive can get ya outta dodge if you find out youre dogfighting Starbuck

 

[Kirby]

I'll say the F-302 just cause they're *kewl*

 

[All Seeing Eye]

F-302 has Hyperdrive which could come in handy. I'll say the F-302 wins hands down.

 

[FredH]

What plasma cannons? nuBSG's Vipers fire bullets.

 

[Hermiod]

^Depends which version of Battlestar Galactica we're talking about here.

 

[backstept]

^Depends which version of Battlestar Galactica we're talking about here.

'nuBSG' as stated in the poll

I'm gonna have to say the viper would win.
anytime I've seen a 302 fly it's flown like a regular fighter jet in space . . . vipers are quasi-newtonian and can fly/fire in any direction and they can go very fast provided the pilot doesn't pass out from the g-forces in the turns

the only area where the 302 would be superior is with shields from goauld or asgard tech . . .

 

[Silversmok3]

^Depends which version of Battlestar Galactica we're talking about here.

'nuBSG' as stated in the poll

I'm gonna have to say the viper would win.
anytime I've seen a 302 fly it's flown like a regular fighter jet in space . . . vipers are quasi-newtonian and can fly/fire in any direction and they can go very fast provided the pilot doesn't pass out from the g-forces in the turns

the only area where the 302 would be superior is with shields from goauld or asgard tech . . .

302's don't have shields,to my knowledge.

And in theory a 302 can be flown in non-linear combat just like a Viper.I say in theory because we've never seen em flown like that on screen,but if it can go FTL I'd imagine it can mix it up sidewayz too.

Of course,to get that close the Viper would have to dodge 4 AMRAAM naquadah missiles first....

 

[Gertch]

Since it's a nuBSG viper I'd have to go with the F-302. Besides, it's much more maneuverable and less angsty.

 

[MarianLH]

The Vipers can also carry missiles. They're seldom seen, presumably because of a limited supply, but they were shown in season one's "The Hand Of God". That episode also showed them ejecting some kind of anti-missile decoy, if I recall correctly.

How much damage would each missile do, relative to the target's ability to absorb damage? Which one is more likely to hit the other, factoring in the target's missile defenses?

That's four variables, each requiring two pieces of data to calculate. Without all eight pieces of information, any answer to the poll question is going to be a blind guess.


Marian

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Who are the pilots? I can't think of a Stargate pilot who would survive Starbuck. Sheppard would be close but he is not crazy enough to pull stunts like her. He and Apollo would be an even match I guess.

 

[Brent]

F-302

 

[Hermiod]

302's don't have shields,to my knowledge.

No, F-302's don't have shields.

And in theory a 302 can be flown in non-linear combat just like a Viper.I say in theory because we've never seen em flown like that on screen,but if it can go FTL I'd imagine it can mix it up sidewayz too.

The FTL is useless. It's based on the flawed naquahdria drive. No F-302 has ever successfully entered hyperspace. They were only able to open a brief window, send the soon to be exploding Stargate through it, and close it.

Of course,to get that close the Viper would have to dodge 4 AMRAAM naquadah missiles first....

Not easy, no.

Atlantis' "The Intruder" shows that the F-302 does have some sort of cannon weapons in addition to its missiles, but I don't think they ever explained what they were.

"Bounty" showed that they were close to developing a decent energy weapon small enough to fit aboard a F-302 as well. (In fact, they deliberately crippled it because they didn't want anyone to think they were too far along in case people asked how they'd made these advances)

 

[Brent]

and can fly/fire in any direction and they can go very fast provided the pilot doesn't pass out from the g-forces in the turns

F-302's have an advantage there with their inertial dampers

 

[DWF]

The FTL is useless. It's based on the flawed naquahdria drive. No F-302 has ever successfully entered hyperspace. They were only able to open a brief window, send the soon to be exploding Stargate through it, and close it.

They can travel for a short time in hyperspace though, that's how they got though Anubis' shields The Fallen.

 

[Hermiod]

^Anubis' mothership is a hell of a lot larger than a Viper.

Ultimately, human technology in Stargate as it stands in season five of Atlantis is a lot more advanced than that in season four of Battlestar Galactica.

In fact, if you put, say, the Daedalus up against Pegasus, each with a full complement of their respective type of fighters, it would not be a very long fight. The only thing in Pegasus' advantage is their FTL system allows them to make a quick escape.

 

[DWF]

^Anubis' mothership is a hell of a lot larger than a Viper.

Ultimately, human technology in Stargate as it stands in season five of Atlantis is a lot more advanced than that in season four of Battlestar Galactica.

In fact, if you put, say, the Daedalus up against Pegasus, each with a full complement of their respective type of fighters, it would not be a very long fight. The only thing in Pegasus' advantage is their FTL system allows them to make a quick escape.

Well F-203s don't normally carry nukes, which is what it'd take to finish off a battlestar in a hurry. Of course a battlestar would be no match for a BC-304 at any rate.

 

[Brent]

^Anubis' mothership is a hell of a lot larger than a Viper.

Ultimately, human technology in Stargate as it stands in season five of Atlantis is a lot more advanced than that in season four of Battlestar Galactica.

In fact, if you put, say, the Daedalus up against Pegasus, each with a full complement of their respective type of fighters, it would not be a very long fight. The only thing in Pegasus' advantage is their FTL system allows them to make a quick escape.

Well F-203s don't normally carry nukes, which is what it'd take to finish off a battlestar in a hurry. Of course a battlestar would be no match for a BC-304 at any rate.

He did say F-302, he said Daedalus.

If you put the Daedalus up against a Battlestar the Daedalus wins, they wouldn't even have to launch fighters.

I think the Daedalus would also win against a Basestar pretty easily.

 

[Silversmok3]

Back to topic,F-302's have working hyperdrives,as shown in 'Fallen'.

They also carry standard cannons,of course you ideally don't want a close up gunfight in space.

What would make an intriguing dogfight is Cam Mitchell vs Starbuck.Waif,before you click reply I think Cam would take things as extreme as Starbuck does in flight.And ,like Starbuck he has led a fighter wing during a shooting war.

 

[QCzar]

^A Tel'tak would win against a Basestar. It's like those things are made of paper mache. If the raiders or missiles don't get you, they're pretty much toast[ers].

As with all these cross-universe comparisons, there are often so many things that have to be taken into account to make a comparison valid, so much missing data and so much wanton guessing that they are always exercises in futility.

That said ...

...we've seen 302's take direct hits from high energy weapons and survive, which is a lot more than we can say for the Vipers (which is still my fav scifi fighter), which can get easily shredded by (what I can only presume are) conventional rounds.

Therefore, I vote: F-302

(As an aside, I've actually played these ships against each-other using a kitbash of mods for Homeworld 2. Some interesting results, but inaccurate since it lacks any kind of Newtonian physics. Still fun though.)

 

[Silversmok3]

Yeah intra universe tech comparos are hard,much less cross franchise tech.

Its an appropriate match though,as both fighters have the same general mission and capabilites.The only tech advantage is to the 302's hyperdrive vs the Viper's sublight only drive.