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Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman??

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I've just received my SG-1 complete 10 season set in the mail from Amazon. I love the movie and watch it several times a year but have only seen about 12-15 entire episodes of the show(don't have cable). For the Amazon price of $104USD I was willing to take the plunge and come first of the year(after I finish True Blood S2, Tudors S1 and Rome S2) I'm going to make it my 2010 mission to watch this series or until/unless I lose interest. I hope the latter doesn't happen.

With the third show, SGUniverse, getting picked up for a second season the Stargate property is strongly resembling Star Trek on TV. Its clearly the dominant sci-fi brand now, inheriting Treks once hold on that claim.

We all know Trek got bogged down with the same creative teams rehashing the same similar 10 plot devices by the end of Voyager and for Enterprise. I've heard the jokes about every third alien world having a lush pine forest so I'm asking if this franchise is staying fresh going into its third series and what type of dips to expect over a 10 season haul with SG-1.

Thanks.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

SG1 really starts to hit its groove midway through season 2, and remains pretty solidly entertaining through season 6. After that, a slow decline begins; mostly this is because they kept on expecting every season to be their last at that point, and were thus constantly tying and untying the loose ends.

Eventually they decided to try something completely different in season 9, with mixed results. Fan response to the last two years varies.

Atlantis has some entertaining characters, but never really developed a sense of momentum.

So far, Universe is a bit on the bland side but at least they seem to be trying something different.
 
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It's unlikely to get the same problems as ST did because they're taking the francise in the whole new direction. For lack of a better analogy, remember Enterprise's In a mirror, darkly? Where they made everybody be bad (a shit lot more than the cartoon-like evilish from other mirror universe episodes). There even re-did the opening sequence to show war images. Well take that concept and spirit and spread it to an entire serie. The characters all have double standards and hidden agendas. It's plays on psychology a lot. It is indded very BSG but that alone will avoid the running-around in circles of Voyager and Enterprise.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Stargate is in desperate need of fresh writers. Their writing staff has for the most part been with the franchise for years, and it shows. There is a lack of creativity, and fresh ideas.

I give them kudos for trying out a new premise and changing things up with SGU, but the execution has been lacking so far. One interview I saw years ago had Richard Dean Anderson commenting on the fact that the Stargate itself was the greatest storytelling device ever because it allowed fresh characters and places to appear every week. SGU has replaced that exploration with ship and Earth based drama, which in more capable hands could be interesting, but so far just comes off as emo-whiny-silliness.

I think SGU has potential, but they need to put some adventure and action back in the show, and write their characters better.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Now that SGU is airing, might as well keep them until the end of the show and then let the franchise rest then return with a new producer/s and writing staff. Hell just let J.J reboot it ;)
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

^^With wormhole lens flares!
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

You're going to notice the lush forests of Vancouver in about 95% of episodes. :)
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Yes, it has already happened.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Then why are you still watching ?
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I hope some more come in and give their $.02.
Seems like from what is posted here that SG-1 follows an X-Files type quality as one goes through the seasons(although I rather liked S8-9 there).
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

I've went back and purchased almost all of the SG-1 seasons, though I've only watched the show sporadically. I mainly watched Seasons 8, 9, 10, and part of 7. Before that I had seen SG-1 shows off and on, but had never been a consistent watcher. I thought 7-8 showed signs of creative fatigue, and I mainly watched because I love sci-fi/space opera stuff, the SG-1 characters were likable enough, and I thought the FX were pretty good, but the storylines were often weak. I'm in the camp that liked Seasons 9 & 10, I thought the Ori were good villains and I enjoyed the additions of Cam and Vala. I thought O'Neill got a little too snarky toward the end and I was glad for the new characters.

On the SGA. I thought SGA had a great first season. I didn't have cable around Season 2 and I became a fitful watcher, but I enjoyed SGA throughout its run for the most part though I don't think any other season matched the first one. I took it for what it was, a sci-based adventure show and didn't put too many standards on it. Overall, I got tired of the Wraith as villains. They stopped being threatening after the first season and then the Asurans and the guys from "The Lost Tribe" didn't quite pan out. I was more had been done with TLT guys because I think they had the potential to be really good villains. I think SGA also suffered from not taking chances with the characters, which were largely knockoffs or variations of the SG-1 characters. And I thought bringing Carter in in S4 was a mistake. Should've replaced her with Woolsey then or Colonel Ellis and just had Carter be in command of the Apollo or another ship.

SGU, I'm enjoying it so far, though my one concern is that it doesn't have a lot of rewatchability. The other two SG shows, I can just pop them in, out of order, and watch them anytime. They are more fun, with clearly defined good guys and bad guys for the most part, an emphasis on action, and some nice FX. SGU is a darker, grittier show, with a lot more internal conflict. Things are happening, though it doesn't often appear they are. I guess its more on a smaller, personal level, and not the bigger events that took place on SG-1 and SGA. I like what the SGU writers are attempting to do, but I wish they could find a way to bring some of the other space opera elements of the other shows into this one and mesh them without it being too silly. Stuff like humanoid aliens and cultures. Though I wouldn't mind them keeping away from Vancouver-looking planets with human looking aliens dressed in Middle Ages clothing.

I think SG can run the risk of creative fatigue, but I'm not sure about overexposure because SG hasn't really had an impact on culture like Star Trek has. People in general know Kirk, Spock, and most of TOS crew, and a good deal more people know Picard, Worf, and Data, even Janeway, Seven of Nine, and perhaps Sisko and Quark than they do any of the SG characters, from any of the shows. I think the SG franchise has had a remarkable run and has been going under the radar, but if it had been on network TV, it would've been cancelled a long time ago. Also, SG franchise has been largely derivative of other sci-fi shows, ST being one of them, so its not really doing anything ground breaking to break the mold or get widespread notice. Even the new BSG made more buzz or cultural impact than SG shows. What catchphrases has SG created? What words or ideas from SG have been adopted by mainstream culture? Or even large enough sections of subcultures? When was the latest SG ever watercooler talk? So, as much as I like the franchise, I don't think its 'relevant' like that. Though for the most part its produced some quality episodes with likable heroes and dastardly villians.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Stargate is in worst shape by far than Star Trek ever was. It's never had its TOS or DS9 - the series that knocked the ball out of the park and increased our expectations for everything. At best, SG-1 was a TNG - okay within it own limited scope - and everything else has been VOY/ENT.

But yes, it's suffering from the same problem of being in a rut because the same people are writing/producing the show. SGU was obviously an attempt to break out of the rut, but all they've accomplished is to jettison the few things that made Stargate kind of fun, and are aping the BSG style without having the talent to remotely pull it off.

Stargate needs to just be rebooted entirely. The SG-1 premise was good but it never really lived up to its potential. Hand it over to an entirely new creative team, who has a respectable track record - Ron Moore, or heck I'd even give JMS or Whedon a shot at it - or, what are the Farscape crew doing nowadays? JJ Abrams, sure, in our dreams. Whoever takes the reins, I'd like to see Stargate finally get its DS9 treatment.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Stargate is in worst shape by far than Star Trek ever was. It's never had its TOS or DS9 - the series that knocked the ball out of the park and increased our expectations for everything.

TOS was cancelled twice and DS9 lost most of the massive audience that TNG built up over the years, meanwhile Stargate Universe's ratings are higher than Atlantis got in their final years. If anything it's Universe that could knock Stargate out of the park, for all the complaints about the first season so far I"ve seen plenty of similar complaints about Farscape, B5 and DS9's first seasons as well.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Star Trek was only cancelled once. It could have gone either way after the second season, but a massive letter-writing campaign saved the show. Its renewal was announced at the end of the last episode of the second season. Which doesn't stop most of the third season from being terrible, but don't misrepresent the facts.
 
Re: Does Stargate risk overexposure and creative lag ala Braga&Berman?

Star Trek was only cancelled once. It could have gone either way after the second season, but a massive letter-writing campaign saved the show. Its renewal was announced at the end of the last episode of the second season. Which doesn't stop most of the third season from being terrible, but don't misrepresent the facts.

Why save what wasn't cancelled? And the second season ended early in March of 1968 and I know when the announcement came I heard it personally from Bjo and John Trimble. The letter writing campaign got the series renewed but the renewal was far from certain.
 
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People wrote in to save the show because they were worried it was going to be cancelled. :rolleyes: Nothing I wrote contradicted your statement that, "the letter writing campaign got the series renewed but the renewal was far from certain." Indeed, that's what I said.
 
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meanwhile Stargate Universe's ratings are higher than Atlantis got in their final years.

That's because SGU is a new series, only ten episodes in and people are curious and interested in it. Or is that too simple concept a concept for you to understand? I guarantee you, if the series continues as it is now, the show won't even last five years, let alone get the same ratings as SGA did.
 
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I think it'll be fine. I've no worries anyway. I mean what happens happens. If the ratings go down they'll go down. They should just tell the stories they want to tell. I dont mind going on the ride until it ends. I'm liking it so far. Of course I always say that so I'm just being a repetivie randy, or randall, or someting....
 
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