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Does Picard hate us?
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Not hate. More like shame and things he doesn't want to be reminded of. Because he knows inside he is not really 'more evolved' when push comes to shove, despite all his protestations to the contrary.
Much like a self-made man who has moved up the social ranks, but still is peculiarly sensitive to things that remind him of his 'low' birth. He'd like to eliminate that past, even though he knows very well it's an inextricable part of him.
Much like a self-made man who has moved up the social ranks, but still is peculiarly sensitive to things that remind him of his 'low' birth. He'd like to eliminate that past, even though he knows very well it's an inextricable part of him.
So kind of like Spock's disdain for human frailties, then?
Interestingly, Picard often takes primitive people on PR tours of the Enterprise. He does this in Justice, the episode with the Proto Vulcans, the one with Samuel Clemens, and the one with Worf's brother(Im quite terrible with titles), then in First Contact, there's a bit of a reversal. Picard shows (Lilly?) the standard "Greatness of humanity in the future" only to come off quite hypocritical in his savage outbursts throughout the rest of the film.
Even when Spock talked like that, he never seemed as overtly rude and arrogant as Picard.
Maybe the title of this thread should be "Is Picard a hypocrite?"
Spock said it in what was still a sly manner expecting or inviting a witty reply.
Picard would say it like he was ready to smack someone.
Sure, those other examples didn't expose his roots (and hence, weaknesses). With the possible exception of Samuel Clemens. Picard allows him on the Enterprise because at that point he really has no other choice (except to let him die on the planetary surface of Devidia 2). But Clemens and Picard don't actually interact (that much) until Clemens 'has seen the light'.
Janeway's approach is the better one and more in keeping with the fully matured characterization of Picard.
"Primitive" is a loaded word. But, given the state of the world, Picard and Riker would be justified in calling the Earth of our time "primitive."
"Primitive" is a loaded word. But, given the state of the world, Picard and Riker would be justified in calling the Earth of our time "primitive."
Umm, why not? A day or two after they were unfrozen, they would still be slave whippers, witch burners, condottieri, Nazi party members or whatnot. A "lecture" would be expected - a mob beating them back to death would not be an unlikely scenario, either.
If we want to persist with the idea that Picard is being rude to people from the past (or at least from the 20th century), the question then goes, would Picard in the specific cases seen have reasons to associate the people of the past with comparable atrocities and worldviews deserving of death or worse? His first set of corpsicles were 1990s Americans - was the US perhaps responsible for the Augments, and did the average US citizen basically equate a book-carrying Nazi party member as regards his or her role of supporting the supposed nastiness (in terms of 24th century history writing, that is)? It's not an issue Picard would be likely to bring up even if he had the time - "You know what you are, bastards!" would be his obvious attitude there.
Timo Saloniemi
I always took it as they remind him of a part of himself (or his species) he'd rather forget.
I think if we unfroze someone from 400 years ago, or 800 years, or whenever, we'd be surprised how intelligent and insightful they were, Especially if they were educated.
We'd be surprised because of the sharp contrast from how historical peoples and societies are depicted in Hollywood.
We'd be surprised because of the sharp contrast from how historical peoples and societies are depicted in Hollywood.
1217 A.D Apart from the basic needs of humanity, what values would someone from that world share with someone in 2017
1617 A.D - See above
If Enterprise's Picard unfroze three white Americans who were in stasis from the years 2016 and 2017. (I say white cos the ones in the TNG episode were White Americans). I wonder what he would think of them after reading the historical documents of the time?
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Possibly but why should three random people be representative of the entire human race from 2016/2017?
LOL! We elected Trump as president, i'd say early 21st century society is not something to be proud of.
Trump, Putin, Brexit, Syrian war, ISIS, rise of extreme nationalism and religious extremism, Alt right, Alt left.LOL! We elected Trump as president, i'd say early 21st century society is not something to be proud of.
70 years after WW2 and the grand children embrace what their grandfathers fought against.
I think that the rule should be: give the recently unfrozen a full week to adapt before applying moral judgments.
Unless it's Hitler, he just gets re-frozen.
Unless it's Hitler, he just gets re-frozen.
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