Groups like this existed in real life when Voyager was filmed.
Spoilers Does moving the Eugenics Wars into the 21st century fundamentally change things?
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Oh, you know what happened in between TOS and TNG? Star Trek IV. It's always Kirk's fault
Something must have happened from going back in time for whales. Maybe Scotty did something when he gave that guy the formula for clear steel.In "Squire of Gothos" they say Trelane is observing Earth from 900 years ago but since he knows about Napoleon that has to mean at least 900 years after 1804, when Napoleon's first reign. Which would put the episode in the 2700s
Memory Alpha says it was a deliberate choice "Voyager's writing staff didn't want to bog the "Future's End" two-parter down by having to explain the Eugenics Wars to the majority of the audience (who, according to the series' research, were irregular viewers of Voyager and not hard-core fans of the series)"
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Future's_End_(episode)
The Doctor still has the mobile emitter that Starling made. They crew all remember it happening. All we can say is the Braxton at the end comes from a future where he's fine (at least until he later when he's recast and tries to kill Janeway).
Oh, you know what happened in between TOS and TNG? Star Trek IV. It's always Kirk's fault
There is absolutely no reason to assume that the cause and effect in timeline changes happens in the same order that we witness the stories in. Time travel, by its very nature, is out of order.
Yes. Fans tend to assume they're the only target audience, but they're a minority of the viewership. Writers have to write for the least knowledgeable members of the audience.
There's is at at least one other instance in canon where something from a changed timeline still existed in the "Prime" timeline when things were corrected.
Alternate-Tasha Yar still exists in the prime timeline from the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline even after the Enterprise-C averts that future. That would imply that the universe somehow preserves causality and doesn't dissolve from a paradox even when the previous timeline gets obliterated. Or we would get closer to the Kelvin Universe idea that time travel only shifts someone into another timeline where the point of divergence happened.
From Memory Alpha:
Before returning to the 24th century, Voyager leaves some technology behind, including Captain Janeway's combadge (in part 1), her tricorder (in part 1), and The Doctor's holographic combadge. Considering that everything was undone when Voyager destroyed the timeship, these may have been erased from existence on Earth as well ... Although this episode posits 29th century Federation technology as having been responsible for the microcomputer revolution of the 1990s, the fact that the episode ends with Janeway apparently bringing that timeline to an end makes the reasoning no longer applicable. Robert Picardo came up with another explanation for the technological revolution: "Bill Gates is the guy that plundered the other alien ship that crashed, since the one that Ed Begley Jr. plundered now never happened." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 29, No. 6/7, p. 110)
No, that's the way it normally works in Trek and other time travel fiction, with the exception of TNG: "Time Squared." There are countless examples of people from erased or altered timelines surviving unchanged because they left those timelines before they were erased. For instance, in "Yesteryear," Spock still existed and he and Kirk remembered their original timeline after they returned to one where Spock had died in childhood. O'Brien in "Visionary" remembered the averted near future he came from. Elsewhere, Marty McFly still remembered his original timeline after his actions in 1955 altered it.
It's just a general rule of time travel in most fiction that if your timeline is rewritten/erased while you're removed from it through time travel, you aren't erased along with it, because you're not in it anymore. It's like, if you get off a boat before it sinks, nobody would expect you to drown with the rest of the crew. Why would you?
Riker took JROTC in high school because he couldn't pass History, and that's what led him to applying to Starfleet Academy.
Once in the Academy, Riker had to take Federation History as a GER, and he was failing, but they needed him on the Parrasses Squares team, so the Coach pulled some strings with the Professor and he passed anyway.
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