Does J.J.Verse starfleet know about the romie's and vulcans?

[miraclefan]

If this thread gets closed are moved I'm fine with that. I just felt this the best way to get peoples attention. Was anybody else suprised that we didn't have a ''Balance of Terror'' suprise reaction from the crew of the Kelvin & Starfleet in general? I thought nobody in the federation knew that the Romulans were cousins of the vulcans, but it seams in the movie everybody knows who they are! So is it official then that earth already knows about them?

 

[Tralah]

It made sense to me that there wouldn't be a surprise reaction because there were survivors from the Kelvin. When they made it back to Starfleet, one would think Starfleet would have launched an investigation and made inquiries to the Romulan Empire.

 

[NCC74894A]

It made sense to me that there wouldn't be a surprise reaction because there were survivors from the Kelvin. When they made it back to Starfleet, one would think Starfleet would have launched an investigation and made inquiries to the Romulan Empire.

When the Enterprise first encounters the Narada above Vulcan, at first Capt. Pike is under the impression that Nero is acting on the Empire's behalf, before Nero informs him otherwise. So apparently the Feds didn't pry all that much.

 

[gastrof]

You guys aren't getting the point of the OP's question.

In the original timeline, up to the point of the TOS episode BALANCE OF TERROR, nobody, apparently not even the Vulcans (at least not Spock) knew the Rommies were vulcanoid.

After Spock managed to tap into the Romulan ship's bridge cameras, and Kirk's people saw a shipload of what appeared to be VULCANS, Spock said "If they ARE related to my Vulcan ancestors, that makes them all the more dangerous..."

Since Nero, freshly arrived in the past, hadn't had the chance to alter the timeline any, how is it that nobody was surprised he and his people looked like Vulcans?

THAT is the question being asked.

It's possible that Nero caused the knowledge of the connection to spread earlier than it should have (meaning earlier than BoT), but he couldn't have affected the spreading of the knowledge BEFORE he got into the past.

The only solution I can figure is that maybe the Cochrane-to-Archer timeline (caused by the Borg and Picard's people in FIRST CONTACT) may have somehow caused an awareness of the Rommies being Vulcanoid.

If so, then from the point of FIRST CONTACT and ENTERPRISE on, the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" changes in content somewhat. No unhappy surprises for anyone.

 

[miraclefan]

Thank you! you said it better then I did!

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

 

[miraclefan]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

But that dosen't answer the question, Why wasn't the KELVIN crew at all supriesed by seeing ''from there point of veiw'' Vulcans attacking them? How did they know they were romulan if they (starfleet) had never seen one face-to-face before Balance Of Terror?

 

[Kelso]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

But that dosen't answer the question, Why wasn't the KELVIN crew at all supriesed by seeing ''from there point of veiw'' Vulcans attacking them? How did they know they were romulan if they (starfleet) had never seen one face-to-face before Balance Of Terror?

The Narada probably had recognizable Rommie energy signatures, or whatever.

The Kelvin crew didn't have a lot of time to remark on the appearance of their attackers.

 

[gastrof]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

HELLO?

Did you even READ what I said above?

Part of the question here is "Why did THE PEOPLE FROM THE KELVIN not act confused over what appeared to be Vulcans being so aggressive?"

Think about it.

 

[miraclefan]

I geuss one theory is that the series ENTERPRISE reveled the romulans in this universe much earlyer then they (Romulans) wanted to!( Maybe involving the temporal cold-war or during the Earth / Romulan war?)

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

HELLO?

Did you even READ what I said above?

Part of the question here is "Why did THE PEOPLE FROM THE KELVIN not act confused over what appeared to be Vulcans being so aggressive?"

Think about it.

You don't have to shout like that, it isn't proper netiquette.

Also; I do not recall every single thing spoken in the movie. However, I don't know if they'd recognize them as Vulcan-related. Yes, the ears, but beyond that? Vulcans do all have the same haircut. And, are logical. And don't wear tribal tattoo's. And don't use giant green spaceships. So that might be the answer: They didn't look related to Vulcans at the time the Kelvin was attacked.

And if there was a line of dialog stating that they were... Well, still doesn't matter. In that case, we don't know for sure how they knew. But I would then assume the Federation has had face 2 face contact with the Romulans before the Kelvin then.

EDIT: Also, please do not PM me with the same reply as in a thread. If I want to reply, I'll reply in my own time.

 

[Brent]

The Kelvin didn't know it was Romulan, or they were romulans, I don't think it was mentioned. Could have been any kind of alien as far as they were concerned. They didn't have a lot of time to think about it.

Now, afterwards, peoples descriptions of what they saw and all, then maybe later Starfleet made that connection.

 

[miraclefan]

Yes, but the Kelvin crew Identifyed the ship as ''romulan'' didn't they?.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Yes, but the Kelvin crew Identifyed the ship as ''romulan'' didn't they?.

Probably only after Nero identified himself as 'Nero of the Romulan mining vessel Nerada' or something like that. He did want to speak to the Captain, after all.

 

[gastrof]

You don't have to shout like that, it isn't proper netiquette.

Well, ignoring points repeatedly made in a thread isn't very polite, you know...

Sometimes a snoring person is shaken to get them to wake up.

Also; I do not recall every single thing spoken in the movie. However, I don't know if they'd recognize them as Vulcan-related. Yes, the ears, but beyond that? Vulcans do all have the same haircut. And, are logical. And don't wear tribal tattoo's. And don't use giant green spaceships. So that might be the answer: They didn't look related to Vulcans at the time the Kelvin was attacked.

And how many other races have upswept eyebrows and pointed ears?

Besides, as mentioned above, the point was made that we were talking about BEFORE the actual destruction of the Kelvin, and you again spoke of what happened afterward, which we'd said wasn't the point.

I would then assume the Federation has had face 2 face contact with the Romulans before the Kelvin then.

THAT is the point. That shouldn't have been the case, considering the content of the TOS episode BALANCE OF TERROR. Nobody at that time knew the Romulans were vulcanoid. So how could anyone have just taken it in stride 30 or so years earlier?

THAT was the question, and you kept ignoring it and answering something else.

EDIT: Also, please do not PM me with the same reply as in a threat. If I want to reply, I'll reply in my own time.

A threat? LOL! Don't make me laugh. Now people communicating with you is a THREAT?

No no no.

Others talking to you isn't an example of threatening. Please don't feel threatened by someone just talking to you and pointing out something you missed.

People will get the wrong idea...

Start avoiding you...

Whispering about you.

Starting rumors that you're really Romulan...

 

[gastrof]

The Kelvin didn't know it was Romulan, or they were romulans, I don't think it was mentioned. Could have been any kind of alien as far as they were concerned...

Shhh!

We're fighting. Don't bring logic into this!

 

[miraclefan]

Well, at least this gives me an excuse to see the movie again!

 

[Malleus]

In my eyes, the destruction of the Kelvin raised some questions. Especially as the survivors identified the attackers as Romulans. As such, the Federation might have been more insistent on meeting the Romulan Empire face to face, thus having the knowledge of their shared ancestry.

But that dosen't answer the question, Why wasn't the KELVIN crew at all supriesed by seeing ''from there point of veiw'' Vulcans attacking them? How did they know they were romulan if they (starfleet) had never seen one face-to-face before Balance Of Terror?

The Narada probably had recognizable Rommie energy signatures, or whatever.

The Kelvin crew didn't have a lot of time to remark on the appearance of their attackers.

The Romulans aboard the Narada didn't resemble much either the TOS Romulans without the ridged foreheads or the TNG Romulans with the ridged foreheads. They were all bald, like the Remans.

 

[Brent]

Something else I just thought about, Uhura said she knew "all 3 Romulan dialects" So, they must have known Romulan language and that there were 3 dialects. Perhaps this was discovered back in the Romulan War though.

 

[Jeri]

Even if Nero's band does look different, they are still recognizable by their blood. When Sulu runs his sword through the drill operator, it comes away covered with a sickly green.