Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel....

[Borg451]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Austin 3:16 said:
....again in a Trek movie?

I'm not saying that it won't be a good movie. In fact, I think it will be quite enjoyable and probably one of the best Trek movies. But, even if it does turn out pretty well, doesn't it make you mad that once again the writers can't resist using time travel?

Now, I'm sure the audience that this movie is trying to appeal to (people who aren't really Trek fans) won't care that time travel is once again being used if 1) they like the movie and 2) it's a big hit with the casual movie audience.

But for us Trekkers (you [my furry little friend], me, all of us here in this milking message board), won't WE be frustrated that this will have been the third Trek movie to have time travel in it (the fourth if you count 'Generations' as a time travel movie)? Will that make you mad in a way? If it turns out to be a good movie and we enjoy the living hell out of it, will it make you jump for joy at the greatness of the movie while at the same time make you shake your fist at the heavens while cursing to the gods that time travel was once again used in a Trek flick?

ER SPOILER CODE

shoulda been put on the title and in the main text...

thanks for ruining it.

 

[StCoop]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Borg451 said:
ER SPOILER CODE

shoulda been put on the title and in the main text...

thanks for ruining it.

What spoilers would they be? At no point in time has it ever been confirmed that this is a Time Travel movie.

 

[The Rock]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Samuel T. Cogley said:

StCoop said:
Did I miss the part where it was ever confirmed there's Time Travel in this fim?

Yes, it was confirmed in the future and Austin 3:16 has just come back in time to let us know.

Also, he is looking for John Connor.

I tried to look for Edward Furlong and I found him working at a Burger King in Georgia. When I saw him there, like that, I fell down on one knee and weeped and figured that letting the machines take us over may not be such a bad thing after all.

 

[Franklin]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

number6 said:
Why are people so bent out of shape over time travel??

Oh yeah.. "It's overdone.." That old chestnut. There are only so many plot devices one can use in sci-fi and TT is one of them. I don't think Trek has over used it. Used it poorly, yes, but not overused. It's all about the story and how it is served.

The one thing about time travel that is overdone is the bitching and moaning about it. That I can certainly do without.

Amen.

Overdone? There were exactly four time travel episodes of TOS. Count 'em. FOUR. "Tommorrow is Yesterday", "The City on the Edge of Forever", "Assignment: Earth", and "All Our Yesterdays". Ok. Five if you count the three days in "The Naked Time".
TVH was time travel. That's one in six movies. "Yesteryear" was the only TAS time travel episode.

About a dozen TNG episodes were time travel. Among them, a disproportionate number make most people's best episodes lists: "All Good Things", "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Tapestry", "Cause and Effect", and maybe even "Time's Arrow". GEN and FC were time travel, but FC is considered the best of the TNG movies by most.

Fewer than a dozen episodes each of DS9 and VOY were time travel.

So for TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, that's about 40 time travel episodes out of over 600 episodes of high quality sci-fi TV viewing. That's about 6.7 percent of all episodes.

Yeah, time travel is overdone. Just doin' the math.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

I'm pissed I can't use time travel to go see Trek XI tonight.

 

[FordSVT]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Samuel T. Cogley said:
I just can't seemed to get pissed off about any of this stuff.

What's wrong with me?

Really? I put three holes in my wall this morning with my fist just opening up my web browser!!!!

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

As long as the plot is interesting, the characters compelling, and the acting decent, I don't care what plot devises they use.

 

[Woulfe]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

[ Direct TV ad revisited ]

Kirk : again with the Time Travel ?!?!

- W -
* grining ear to ear *

 

[MisterPL]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

I'm even more fed up with them "beaming down to a planet" every frickin' chance they get. That and the spaceship. Do they really need a spaceship if they have transporters? Never made sense. Either lose the ship or lose the transporters.

But time travel? No more time travel. Flashbacks are okay, though.

Sonic showers are underused. Need more of them.

And enough with the villains. Can't we just have a nice first contact meeting for a change? Put down the laser guns, people. We come in peace, remember?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

PKTrekGirl said:
As long as the plot is interesting, the characters compelling, and the acting decent, I don't care what plot devises they use.

Exactly, couldn't agree more. Honestly, there are no "original ideas" left in story-telling... originality is in the little things, the way characters are portrayed etc.

If they're going to do time-travel, I'll watch it anyhow, and if it's good, I'll love it. Doctor Who does it in every episode and it never gets boring!

 

[Arlo]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

I'm not losing sleep over a possible time-travel aspect, but it does strike me as a rather lazy solution to working Nimoy into the plot.

 

[johnconner]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

number6 said:
Why are people so bent out of shape over time travel??

Oh yeah.. "It's overdone.." That old chestnut. There are only so many plot devices one can use in sci-fi and TT is one of them. I don't think Trek has over used it. Used it poorly, yes, but not overused. It's all about the story and how it is served.

The one thing about time travel that is overdone is the bitching and moaning about it. That I can certainly do without.

My thoughts exactly. True dat.

Franklin said:
Amen.

Overdone? There were exactly four time travel episodes of TOS. Count 'em. FOUR. "Tommorrow is Yesterday", "The City on the Edge of Forever", "Assignment: Earth", and "All Our Yesterdays". Ok. Five if you count the three days in "The Naked Time".
TVH was time travel. That's one in six movies. "Yesteryear" was the only TAS time travel episode.

About a dozen TNG episodes were time travel. Among them, a disproportionate number make most people's best episodes lists: "All Good Things", "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Tapestry", "Cause and Effect", and maybe even "Time's Arrow". GEN and FC were time travel, but FC is considered the best of the TNG movies by most.

Fewer than a dozen episodes each of DS9 and VOY were time travel.

So for TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, that's about 40 time travel episodes out of over 600 episodes of high quality sci-fi TV viewing. That's about 6.7 percent of all episodes.

Yeah, time travel is overdone. Just doin' the math.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Good post.

I love time travel stories. If they had had 20 more of them, I'd still welcome it in the coming movie.

"Route 1.21 jigowatts into the main matter/anti-matter reactor, Scotty. Sulu, ahead Warp Factor 88.8 MPH! Chekov, Bird of Prey onscreen."

"Onscreen, Keptin."

"Hey Nero! Why don't you make like a tree and ... get out of here!"

 

[johnconner]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Samuel T. Cogley said:

StCoop said:
Did I miss the part where it was ever confirmed there's Time Travel in this fim?

Yes, it was confirmed in the future and Austin 3:16 has just come back in time to let us know.

Also, he is looking for John Connor.

Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Cogley, but there's no need to worry. The terminators may be deadly as all hell, but I've fooled them for years by changing just ONE letter in my name. Take that, Skynet! The resistance is STILL ALIVE!

 

[John Picard]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

number6 said:
Why are people so bent out of shape over time travel??

Oh yeah.. "It's overdone.." That old chestnut. There are only so many plot devices one can use in sci-fi and TT is one of them. I don't think Trek has over used it. Used it poorly, yes, but not overused. It's all about the story and how it is served.

The one thing about time travel that is overdone is the bitching and moaning about it. That I can certainly do without.

The other thing to consider is that Time Travel is only a rumour at this point. I am not going to worry about the plot of this film until or unless something official is actually announced. For now I will keep my knickers loose and fancy free.

I have more important things to worry about: rent, work, bills, world peace, relationships, responsabilities, deadlines, etc. Whether or not Star Trek uses time travel to tell their story or not is pretty low on the totem pole at this point. All I want is an entertaining, compelling story to get excited about.

In other words, there is no other way for the writers to come up with a decent story other than to resort to Time Travel. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. This should be called Doctor Who Trek at the rate they keep using time travel storylines.

Not interested.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

n other words, there is no other way for the writers to come up with a decent story other than to resort to Time Travel.

Its somewhat more likely, much like any other writer does when they sit down to write they had a idea and incidentally part of that idea involved time travel. It could be key to the plot and indeed be very good. Don't dismiss it simply becuse Braga had a hard-on for it. Previous Trek producers ideas or how they carried them out should have no bearing on the current batch.

Sharr

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

What rate would that be?

 

[FordSVT]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

John_Picard said:

number6 said:
Why are people so bent out of shape over time travel??

Oh yeah.. "It's overdone.." That old chestnut. There are only so many plot devices one can use in sci-fi and TT is one of them. I don't think Trek has over used it. Used it poorly, yes, but not overused. It's all about the story and how it is served.

The one thing about time travel that is overdone is the bitching and moaning about it. That I can certainly do without.

The other thing to consider is that Time Travel is only a rumour at this point. I am not going to worry about the plot of this film until or unless something official is actually announced. For now I will keep my knickers loose and fancy free.

I have more important things to worry about: rent, work, bills, world peace, relationships, responsabilities, deadlines, etc. Whether or not Star Trek uses time travel to tell their story or not is pretty low on the totem pole at this point. All I want is an entertaining, compelling story to get excited about.

In other words, there is no other way for the writers to come up with a decent story other than to resort to Time Travel. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. This should be called Doctor Who Trek at the rate they keep using time travel storylines.

Not interested.

So if everyone comes in here the day after launch at it's the greatest Trek movie ever, and it makes $50 million dollars the first day , you still won't see it because it involves time travel? Assuming that rumour is true of course...

 

[johnconner]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

We could take a non-fan, non-Trekkie route and consider the issue from Hollywood's vantage point, you know.

Anybody wanna hazard a guess as to the most profitable STAR TREK movie ever was?

I'm thinking it was one involving time travel.

So that's obviously the wrong way to go.

 

[John Picard]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

FordSVT said:

John_Picard said:

number6 said:
Why are people so bent out of shape over time travel??

Oh yeah.. "It's overdone.." That old chestnut. There are only so many plot devices one can use in sci-fi and TT is one of them. I don't think Trek has over used it. Used it poorly, yes, but not overused. It's all about the story and how it is served.

The one thing about time travel that is overdone is the bitching and moaning about it. That I can certainly do without.

The other thing to consider is that Time Travel is only a rumour at this point. I am not going to worry about the plot of this film until or unless something official is actually announced. For now I will keep my knickers loose and fancy free.

I have more important things to worry about: rent, work, bills, world peace, relationships, responsabilities, deadlines, etc. Whether or not Star Trek uses time travel to tell their story or not is pretty low on the totem pole at this point. All I want is an entertaining, compelling story to get excited about.

In other words, there is no other way for the writers to come up with a decent story other than to resort to Time Travel. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. This should be called Doctor Who Trek at the rate they keep using time travel storylines.

Not interested.

So if everyone comes in here the day after launch at it's the greatest Trek movie ever, and it makes $50 million dollars the first day , you still won't see it because it involves time travel? Assuming that rumour is true of course...

Honestly, I doubt it. Even if it "breaks the bank".

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Re: Does it piss anyone off that they had to use time travel

Cranston said:
I agree that we should take ALL plot rumors so far with very large grains of salt. But I think the time travel element, while not being officially confirmed, seems fairly likely -- several sites have reported that their "sources" have unofficially confirmed at least that much. One of these is Trekmovie.com, which to date seems to be fairly well plugged-in:

TrekMovie.com has confirmed that elements of the original AICN rumor report are true (such as the inclusions of the Romulans and time-travel), however a source tells us that much of the original AICN story is still pure speculation.

Article here.

Of course, I could be completely and utterly wrong here. Which is fine too. As for me, I don't really mind one way or another, as long as the idea is executed well and entertainingly.

ALL of the "Time Travel" stories have based this upon certain information that HAS been released, indicating that the film takes place in multiple timeframes.

There's quite a bit of extrapolation from that, to "there's time travel in the movie." Well, yeah... the one-day-at-a-time sort, and the "according to the narrative" sort... but there's NO formally released information, from anyone involved in the film, that states, either in a roundabout way or in a direct way, that there will be time travel BY CHARACTERS IN THE FILM.

Yes, we... THE AUDIENCE... will be "time travelling" throughout the film. Whether we're following a character in his "real time" or whether it's flashbacks and so forth... NONE of that is known with any form of certainty.

That doesn't mean that the whole film won't be "Spock and Spock's Excellent Adventure" (calling for a cameo by George Carlin of course!). But we don't KNOW. And all this guessing... it's pointless.