Does anyone see any similarities between Spock and Shelby?

[Cyke101]

They both seem rather cold and almost too efficient, but also ambitious and young for two go-getter Commanders. Then reality sets in and they're both tempered a bit, putting aside their egos and adding their expertise to become valuable crew members for the Earth-saving mission.

We know they were both accomplished in their young careers (Spock with the Kobayashi Maru, Shelby being one of the foremost Borg experts).

Right? Wrong? Or does this apply to any commander and thus seems to be too broad a stroke?

 

[number6]

I don't really see the connection. Shelby made it quite clear she was after Riker's job. I didn't get that from Spock in any way.

 

[Cyke101]

I don't really see the connection. Shelby made it quite clear she was after Riker's job. I didn't get that from Spock in any way.

Oh, I wouldn't argue that Spock was after Pike's job, but he was pret-ty darn annoyed when Kirk was taking charge of the situation. Then >poof< out goes the escape pod!

 

[number6]

Well to be fair, Kirk had no business being on the ship in the first place.

 

[Cyke101]

Well to be fair, Kirk had no business being on the ship in the first place.

True. But taking away the Kirk factor, I would think the movie implies Spock was always an overachiever as well (and part rebel), seeing as how he seemed to have quite a bit of importance within Starfleet even before this crisis.

...well, there's lots of supposition on my part. Just another excuse to go see the movie...

 

[number6]

Well to be fair, Kirk had no business being on the ship in the first place.

True. But taking away the Kirk factor, I would think the movie implies Spock was always an overachiever as well (and part rebel), seeing as how he seemed to have quite a bit of importance within Starfleet even before this crisis.

...well, there's lots of supposition on my part. Just another excuse to go see the movie...

Spock has often said he never really wanted to command a starship. In the film he is a respected member of the Starfleet community and a faithful right hand man.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I don't really see the connection. Shelby made it quite clear she was after Riker's job. I didn't get that from Spock in any way.

Oh, I wouldn't argue that Spock was after Pike's job, but he was pret-ty darn annoyed when Kirk was taking charge of the situation. Then >poof< out goes the escape pod!

That wasn't ambition & getting rid of a rival; that was Spock's sense of propriety and "the right way to do things" kicking in. He thought of Kirk as a potentially dangerous nuisance and booted him as fast as he could for the safety of the ship and the success of their mission, not for his own sake.

But when it became clear later that Kirk saved him from making an error in judgment that could have gotten Earth blown up, Spock suddenly was willing to accept Kirk's authority. It was "logical" to recognize that the crazy loose cannon might have a better way of doing things, or at least something that could be useful as part of a team (which also would include the counterbalance of Spock).

Spock is a team player and would rather not be boss if he thinks its better for the team that someone else is boss. Perfectly in line with what we know about the character.

Spock is already the character we recognize from TOS but Kirk will require some development. Right now, he's callow and does seem too motivated by being boss, which may be difficult to untangle from his self-confidence which makes him believe it's for everyone's good that he be boss. Molding him into more of a leader is the work of the next movie.

I would think the movie implies Spock was always an overachiever as well (and part rebel)

Spock is a rebel against stupidity and blind arrogance. Kirk is a rebel, period. That's why Kirk's the one who still needs character work. (Spock's arc in the next movies will probably have more to do with his emotional "issues," and I'll bet that explains why the writers decided to amp up that conflict with their non-canonical inventions about Vulcan and Uhura.)

 

[Cyke101]

Spock is already the character we recognize from TOS

I'd say he's getting there, but not quite. He seems more dickish and by the book in the movie, but glimpses that he'll evolve into his older, more experienced, more-loosened self from TOS shines after his fight with Kirk, in my opinion. Just as we see Kirk developing from rogue to dedicated and responsible captain, I feel that Spock has a similar if somewhat reversed arc.

I would think the movie implies Spock was always an overachiever as well (and part rebel)

Spock is a rebel against stupidity and blind arrogance.

Well, I call him a rebel in the face of Vulcan culture. He was the only one, after all, to turn down acceptance to the Vulcan Science Academy and put off Kohlinar, a move that baffled everyone. His joining the VSA would never be regarded as stupid or arrogant and he probably would have achieved much in that route as well. On the contrary, choosing Starfleet over the VSA was something else.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

He turned down the Vulcan Science Academy because the head guy was a disgusting bigot. Yay Spock! Maybe he would have gone with Starfleet anyway, but I think that rude comment about Spock's handicap sealed the deal.

They've left some character development for the future with Spock, and I think I'd deduced where they're going with it.

And good for them. It wouldn't have been very smart of the writers to give themselves no place to go in the future.

 

[Lightinspire]

Oh now having Shelby in a movie would be fantastic.