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Does A Space Opera Need Aliens?

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Would a new TV show that is a "space opera" need aliens? Or could the adventures take place in our solar system and the struggles be between just humans colonizing the solar system...AI would be involved and play an important role...but does the audience really need aliens???
 
No. Firefly and BSG didn't have aliens and that worked out okay.

I don't think a space opera even needs humans. Just a spaceship and somebody to pilot the spaceship. Could be sentient robots. Maybe the spaceships are intelligent and don't require pilots.

All the characters in the space opera are stand-ins for humans anyway. They can be aliens, robots, AI, you name it.
 
Yeah a space-opera doesn't need aliens to be interesting. Like anything else it needs showrunner/s with a vision and writers that are able to write engaging, interesting stories, and talented actors. As mentioned "Firefly" and Ron Moore's "BSG" are good examples of this.
 
No.

Asimov was noted for using aliens very rarely during his entire writing career - but then, he almost owned robots. :lol:

The Gods Themselves would be one of his more notable forays into alien creation. He told me that he actually wrote it partly because "They say 'Asimov can't write aliens,' so I wanted to prove 'the old man can so!'"

"Foundation" is, in many senses, a space opera (I know, people will argue that one) and the stories collected into the first three books are populated entirely by humans and the occasional mutant.
 
Forgetting the aliens, I don't know if colonizing the solar system would be a plot I would label as "Space Opera" which I generally think of as grand large scale adventure with heroes and villains and so on.
 
I believe Red Dwarf never had aliens either, if that counts. They sort of fudge it by having things evolved from something originally Earthbone (the character Cat was a descendant of cats), but that may be notable.

No. Firefly and BSG didn't have aliens and that worked out okay.

I don't think a space opera even needs humans.

Pretty much in this camp. It's not required, but I like aliens. A space opera can pretty much be as flexible as it wants to be provided I still like the end product.

Forgetting the aliens, I don't know if colonizing the solar system would be a plot I would label as "Space Opera" which I generally think of as grand large scale adventure with heroes and villains and so on.

Oh nobody said is it still space opera if we confine it to one solar system and there's no grand adventure with heroes and villains.

Because Ron Moore's Battlerstar Galactica was an interstellar saga that largely revolved around the conflict of humans against the robotic Cylons, after all.
 
Does A Space Opera Need Aliens?

Not necessarily. If Firefly had been on a decent network, I think it would have done fine.

Although Battlestar Galactica was terrible, the lack of aliens wasn't the reason.
 
Oh nobody said is it still space opera if we confine it to one solar system and there's no grand adventure with heroes and villains.

That's what I thought the first post seemed to imply. I just don't think just anything set in space qualifies as "space opera" which seems to be a common perception these days.
 
Space opera is, generically, science fiction set in space where the stories turn on standard action/adventure or dramatic tropes and have little to do with speculation of any kind.

Simply calling an enemy character an "alien" or a robot as opposed to a Nazi is not really speculative or imaginative in thise sense. "Balance Of Terror," for example, is space opera - not only could virtually the exact story be told without any science fictional trappings at all, it had been (The Enemy Below). The business about Romulans being a genetic offshoot of Vulcans is not an sf element, either - it's just a standard "we have a spy aboard" plot complication dressed up a little.

The vast majority of science fiction set in space, in the visual media, are space opera stories to a great degree. Notable exceptions would be movies like 2001, Sunshine and the occasional Star Trek episode. Firefly/Serenity, BSG, the majority of Star Trek would be space opera.
 
No, it can work fine with only humans. Aliens are pretty cool though.

A more interesting question: does space opera need humans? Even if they are only "technical" humans like in Star Wars.

I don't think even humans are necessary. But then again, I'm broad-minded. ;)
 
No, it can work fine with only humans. Aliens are pretty cool though.

A more interesting question: does space opera need humans? Even if they are only "technical" humans like in Star Wars.

I don't think even humans are necessary. But then again, I'm broad-minded. ;)

I would say no, they aren't necessary, but it would take a really amazing writing team to to pull it off. Every show needs at least one protagonist for us to relate to, and while I've definitely felt for a lot of alien characters over the years, it's just easier for us to relate to a human.

Plus, aliens are more expensive than humans. :p
 
No, aliens are not necessary.

However, if you wanted a space opera in the Sol system, it would have to be far enough in the future where the system has already been colonized and Mars terraformed for example. You would need to have ships that could travel quickly throughout the system and perhaps have had generations of people who have lived their lives away from Earth.
 
Forgetting the aliens, I don't know if colonizing the solar system would be a plot I would label as "Space Opera" which I generally think of as grand large scale adventure with heroes and villains and so on.

Oh, don't underestimate the scale of the Solar System. We're used to seeing it portrayed as small, but it's truly vast, with worlds that take months or years to reach, countless exotic environments that would take centuries to colonize, and whole outer reaches that we've barely even begun to discover yet. If you define the Solar System as including everything out to the Oort Cloud, that makes it about two light-years in diameter. And there's enough asteroidal material out there to be converted into thousands or millions of artificial worlds, which could easily diverge into many distinct cultures over the course of centuries or millennia.

So it would be easy to tell a Solar System-based series that's just as expansive in its effective scope as the interstellar series we're used to. Most such fiction grossly understates the sheer distances involved in space travel for story convenience, as well as grossly oversimplifying the vastness and complexity of individual planets. They treat whole planets as small places with monolithic cultures; an artificial space habitat could more plausibly serve an identical story function. They use imaginary FTL drives to allow manageable interstellar travel times; a series without FTL could have the same sense of distance (or lack thereof) for travel between worlds or habitats within a single system. They populate extrasolar planets with aliens that are basically variations on humanity; a Solar System-based series with thousands of colonies that have diverged culturally and practiced genetic engineering over the course of centuries could include numerous such "humanoid" civilizations with a much more plausible origin.

Heck, I've written an original spec novel that's set almost entirely in the Asteroid Belt, and I was able to establish numerous distinct cultures and tell a sweeping, far-ranging story. We think of the Belt as being just a uniform clutter of rocks, but there are multiple regions within it with their own distinct characteristics that would influence the cultures that settled in them.


Space opera is, generically, science fiction set in space where the stories turn on standard action/adventure or dramatic tropes and have little to do with speculation of any kind.

Interesting. I've never heard that definition of it before. The original definition, as I understand it, was space-based SF that was epic and operatic in scope, focusing on grandiose battles of good and evil, but lacking much depth to its characters -- much like Star Wars, though of course the exemplar is the pulp fiction of "Doc" Smith and the like. These days, I've had the impression that it's become more a generic term for space-based SF in general, initially as a derogatory term but less so these days. I've heard the writings of people like Egan and Baxter and Vinge called "the new space opera," and nobody could say their fiction is lacking in speculation.
 
However, if you wanted a space opera in the Sol system, it would have to be far enough in the future where the system has already been colonized and Mars terraformed for example. You would need to have ships that could travel quickly throughout the system and perhaps have had generations of people who have lived their lives away from Earth.

Yeah...that is what I was thinking.
 
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Also, there is no reason why Space Opera can't be more "hard sci-fi" oriented than it has in the past.

I think one could do a very exciting and intriguing series based on political relations between factions within the solar system and make it work while still respecting our real knowledge of near space.
 
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