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Doctor Who is better than BSG

Love Doctor Who. It's an excellent family adventure/drama series.

Love Battlestar Galactica. It's an excellent adult action/drama series.

Would love to watch Doctor Who with my nieces and nephews. Would love to watch Battlestar Galactica with other adults. Would never dream of comparing the two. (Or of letting my nieces and nephews watch Battlestar Galactica.)
 
firefly is over rated, not shit

I'm not even sure its overrated, except by a few genuine nutjobs, and what series doesn't get that?

It was a genuinely excellent piece of science fiction, and a genuinely excellent piece of television in general. In its short time it had no bad episodes (in my opinion) and several brilliant ones.

In 14 episodes its hit rate was incredible - probably better than any season of nuWho thus far - even more amazing given that this was a new property set in a brand new universe with brand new characters. I really can't think of many series that hit the ground running as well as Firefly did (humourously, for the context of this thread, BSG is another one).

All my opinion, of course, but I don't know what amazing scifi gems people are watching if they're calling Firefly, BSG, Babylon 5 or even Doctor Who overrated.

My opinion is kinda skewed when it comes to Firefly- I didn't see it for several years so all I had was a load of people calling it the best show on telly EVER!

It isn't. Its enjoyable, and it's really well cast, but some of the episodes were just really bad, IMO, with random and unsatisfying endings. Not quite Dues Ex Machinas but not far off. I enjoy it, but I don't quite get the big love it gets...like I say though it'd been built up by the internet that maybe I just automatically rail against it? Love the film though...
 
Roslin believes in democracy unless you get in her way. Apollo was once a great hero and a stand up guy. But was reduced to a snivelling, hypocritical shell of himself because no one is allowed to be a good person on that show. Adama only stopped in his bid to be dictator of the human race after a vision from God. Or whatever the hell that was. Deulla didn't give a crap that her boyfriend was murdered because she was too busy sleeping her way to the top. And Starbuck goes without saying. There's not a single good person among them. They all take turns being The Biggest Asshole of the week, so some are less assholish then others. But they all have to play that role eventually. And it's never fun and enjoyable.


Yeah you really don't understand what "flawed characters" means, do you? It means that they're allowed to make mistakes provided they atone for them and, with 40,000 people left in the whole universe, it means that sometimes things that are black and white for us become a whole different shade of grey for them:

Roslin, for example, tried to steal an election because she knows she'd be a much better president than Baltar for humanity's survival. She's right, of course, but the will of the people is still important, which is what Adama reminds her. In a normal political situation it wouldn't even be up for debate, but when the survival of the species is on the line, maybe they kind of do need the best president in the running, despite what the popular vote says.

Adama led a military coup against Roslin because, similarly, he thought she posed a serious threat to the survival of the species. Again, he was wrong, and he acknowledges that far before they get their "vision from God" (by which I assumed you meant the star patterns in the tomb of Athena). As soon as he sees what the situation has become with Tigh in command he decides to put the fleet back together.

Starbuck most definitely does not go without saying. She's incredibly damaged, guilt-ridden over the death of her fiancee, an abused child, operated on by Cylons, imprisoned and psychologically tortured by other Cylons, and she's in love with two men at the same time, one who bears a strong resemblence to the fiancee she feels she killed - considering she's the best pilot in the fleet who saves lives on a regular basis and eventually leads humanity to its new home - I reckon she gets a pass for being a bitch sometimes.

And you think Dualla is reprehensible because she wasn't happy in her relationship with Billy? Yes she should have told him this before she started seeing Apollo, but it's not like that kind of thing is unique to BSG, its really pretty common in real life as well - and she definitely did care that Billy was dead. You couldn't have been watching if you thought otherwise.

Not sure what you meant about Apollo: he goes through a lot of changes, but he's consistently been the moral centre of the show and of the fleet, unimportant dalliances with Dualla aside. He is the one who defends the fleet from his cockpit, sides with Roslin against his father's wrong-headed coup, rescues Galactica by sacrificing the Pegasus, his own personal command. He insists on Baltar getting a trial and eventually becomes responsible for the office of the president. Is he a hypocrite because he isn't a pilot anymore? I'm not getting it.

Sorry for that long-winded post. And, once again, I feel compelled to point out that I bloody love Doctor Who, almost as much as Battlestar, but I see far too often people who don't get why the characters in BSG are not necessarily the nicest to each other all the time. There is a big difference between occasionaly doing arseholeish things and actually fundamentally being an arsehole. Is it really surprising, given the situation presented to us in Battlestar, that characters sometimes fuck up more than is ideal? I can totally understand why you wouldn't want to watch it - but if you don't think its realistic, you're pretty much just wrong.

It isn't. Its enjoyable, and it's really well cast, but some of the episodes were just really bad, IMO, with random and unsatisfying endings. Not quite Dues Ex Machinas but not far off. I enjoy it, but I don't quite get the big love it gets...like I say though it'd been built up by the internet that maybe I just automatically rail against it? Love the film though...

I definitely understand the resistance against the internet hype machine. I'm glad I saw the series before I seriously checked out internet opinions about it, but I am really glad I did.

Once again - hooray for Doctor Who! In the Doctor Who forum, talking about Doctor Who!
 
So, that ad is rather amusing.

Thanks for the nice quiet reminder of the actual topic of the thread. Seems as if the tide has flowed back in that direction, now. Good idea to keep it there as well.

:D
 
I'm still thinking of a Harry Hill type fight between BSG and Who. Who would represent who:

Starbuck v Rose
Adama v the Brig
Baltar v 8th Doctor
K9 v classic Cylon
nuCymberman v nuCylon
Rolslin v Harriet Jones (my personal favourite)
Captain Jack v Helo
Tegan v D'anna
Miss Hartigan v HeadSix

.... or you could go Cylons model numbers v their respective Doctor incarnations.

I could go on, but I'll spare you. ;)
 
Doctor Who is a family adventure show. BSG is a drama series.

The two really aren't comparable.

You're right, they're not. They're just both very good - though not perfect - at being themselves.

On the other hand... ;) Galactica (1978) vs Doctor Who (1978)... start mopping the floor, Mr Galactica, it's all you're good for! ;)
 
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