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Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

Grade The Stolen Earth


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I have to say, I'm really not keen on DT playing his eleventh incarnation as well. It's just too much at odds with everything that's been established about regeneration in the past. A bit of a lazy and lame move, if you ask me.

The episode itself is okay, though I reckon that like a lot of episodes in the new series, there were times when it relied too much on Special FX.
 
When Davros first appeared did anyone else catch some of the music that was used in Genesis of the Daleks?

I know of one actor who would love to play The Doctor, but today he confessed he was too old and didn't have enough hair....David Hewlett.:)
I would love for David to be in Doctor who
 
I thought that was odd, in an all out war why would he try to save Davros, I can just about understand his actions with the Master, but not trying to save Davros
Perhaps if he could save Davros, he could have helped create a ceasefire?
possible, but Daleks have not always been loyal to Davros in the past, Davros word doesnt carry the weight it should with all the Daleks.

Davros has always been at odds with the Daleks. On the one hand, he may see reason and try to stop the war. On the other, he can't be trusted by any party involved, and he could very well try to attain the Dalek leadership as before, thereby dividing the Dalek forces into two camps, weakening them both.
 
Well just remembering River Song, I guess DT can't leave yet because she knows his face from his future.
 
Wow indeed! I like the new Davros with the evil Palpantine smile.

I had some doubt if such a huge ensemble story could work well but it certainly did. Everyone got good scenes. It was very touching.

My husband didn`t watch the episode and when I told him that the Doctor is in the middle of being regenerated he said "Again?" I didn`t expect this coming although maybe I should have because the scene of the Doctor running towards Rose invited something like that. I have the feeling that there will be a twist here. My 5-year-old was worried and I explained to her the long history of regenerations in Doctor Who.

I told her, maybe he will be a woman and she was really staring at me. I was joking but we are both curious to find out what will happen.
 
Above average, the tonne of extra characters and that bloody "emergency temporal shift" again took away from the general goodness of the episode.

Davros was excellently done, who cares if the Daleks are in thrall to him again. The means by which he produces more Kaleds was quite horribly logical and the prothetics and voice are just spot on.

What a surprise at the end though, quite something for it not to be leaked. If the Radio Times tells us what's happening on the front cover I'll really have to kill them. Kill them all :evil:

EDIT: Just to add, we're missing out on a lot of Davros history aren't we? The last the Doctor saw of him on TV was in Remembrance of the Daleks, when he was dealing another deathblow to the Daleks and Davros' escape was uncertain. From then he must have attained control of another Dalek Empire and then it fell in the Time War and he's got another.
 
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What a surprise at the end though, quite something for it not to be leaked. If the Radio Times tells us what's happening on the front cover I'll really have to kill them. Kill them all :evil:

Oh, it leaked, but it somehow remained hidden away in the spoiler sections of various forums. Along with the outcome...
 
in reference to the run time, I just looked at my recording, and whilst it doesnt contain all the end credits, it was only 45 minutes long, I think the 50 minutes is more a BBC scheduling thing, and actually Turn Left came up to 50 minutes last week.

as for the Radio Times, I am not looking at ANY spoilers in the next 7 days, certainly known involving the regeneration
 
What a surprise at the end though, quite something for it not to be leaked. If the Radio Times tells us what's happening on the front cover I'll really have to kill them. Kill them all :evil:

Oh, it leaked, but it somehow remained hidden away in the spoiler sections of various forums. Along with the outcome...

LALALALALAALALLA CAN'T HEAAAAAAR YOU! :scream:

I must protect myself from spoiler, I must! Unless it's hopelessly overblown.

Although I'll take a guess
that he's not regenerating, he only seemed to be winged by that Dalek's blast.

Another thing about the Shadow Proclaimation, they've not heard of the Timelords other than through legend? They've not been part of the Time War, seems a tad unlikely (although quite plausible). It makes them sound a bit like Scully against the Doctor's Mulder.
 
Question. If Davros was bought back from the Time War by Dalek Caan shifting away in Dalek's of Manhatten, how could the planets be dissappearing in the alternate timeline (last episode) where the Doctor died before going back to Manhatten and stopping the Daleks there?
um, I might have this wrong, but I think the two are unconnected, stars are suns not planets, moving planets wouldnt make stars go out, besides I dont get why they are calling it an alt reality, when it seems more like an alt time line.
 
um, I might have this wrong, but I think the two are unconnected, stars are suns not planets, moving planets wouldnt make stars go out, besides I dont get why they are calling it an alt reality, when it seems more like an alt time line.

Hmm.. so it was stars last ep? Interesting. So this stealing planets thing isn't the oncoming darkness at all? Figures, after the subtley with the Master not being in last week's at all, they would likely have noticed if it was a mistake while waiting :)
 
Re: Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

think that next week will be where Donna turns out to be the most important person in the world. Universe. Whatever. :D
After "Turn Left," I began to wonder if they're going to overlay some of the planned Rose backstory -- that Rose was engineered to be the Doctor's perfect companion -- onto Donna. That perhaps the same energy that Rose used in "Parting of the Ways" to destroy the Daleks and make Jack immortal created Donna so that, when the time came, she would be in place for the Daleks' ultimate defeat.

Of course, I also like Lawrence Miles' theory. Just because it's bonkers. :)
Right, I've got it. The Doctor is going to regenerate into someone completely different, either a well-known celebrity (if they want to make it look legit) or someone we already know from the series (if they want to go for comedy value, so Mickey Smith is a very real possibility). Then he's going to die. However, his DNA / Time Lord essence / biodata will somehow be transferred to a human host in the past, and it'll turn out that Donna has been a carrier of Doctorishness all the time. She's called "Noble" because she's a Time Lord, hence the second heart we can almost hear beating in her chest, the ludicrous coincidences, and all that jism about her "sacrifice". In other words, she's going to regenerate back into the Doctor we know, thus qualifying her as his most faithful companion.
 
I thought that was odd, in an all out war why would he try to save Davros, I can just about understand his actions with the Master, but not trying to save Davros

Aside from it being very Doctor-ish, it's a nod to all the non-Tv Davros stories involving the 6th and 8th Doctors (mainly CD, but some comics) when they almost interact like friends, as they almost manage to come to terms about... well, not ripping apart the cosmos when there are easier ways to sort this out!
There's been an undercurrent in the spin-off fiction for sometime that, as with the Master, Davros is one of the few people the Doctor feels is an equal with him, and he wants to redeem someone like that rather than condemn them.
 
um, I might have this wrong, but I think the two are unconnected, stars are suns not planets, moving planets wouldnt make stars go out, besides I dont get why they are calling it an alt reality, when it seems more like an alt time line.

Hmm.. so it was stars last ep? Interesting. So this stealing planets thing isn't the oncoming darkness at all?
that is really hard to say.
 
I would of loved to see more of the battle with the Valliant ? from what I know that ship is supposed to be a tough and the Dalek never broke sweat it seems.
I don't think the BBC can afford to show us a big space battle no matter how much i would like to see it i think they have spent there money on F1
Is it true the budget for BBC drama has been cut from £240m to £200m for next year?

There is a budget cut across the whole BBC due to the British government ruling that the new licence fee settlement should be well below the BBC's worst hopes, so every department is having to cut back.
I gues if we all try, we can set up a story about how it's affecting Doctor Who and see which newspaper picks it up: "Gordon Brown cuts Doctor Who!"
Though, to be honest, even though the BBC funds issue is something he decided back before he became PM (when he was at the Treasury), given the state of the polls I suspect it wouldn't be in his top 100 things to worry about... ;-)

Oh, PS: Did anyone notice the toys on Harriet's desk? Spitting Image parodies of British politicians, including Neil Kinnock, Margaret Thatcher and David Owen. Spot on for the sort of thing she would have sitting around!
 
Question. If Davros was bought back from the Time War by Dalek Caan shifting away in Dalek's of Manhatten, how could the planets be dissappearing in the alternate timeline (last episode) where the Doctor died before going back to Manhatten and stopping the Daleks there?

At a guess, all that's needed to keep history intact, Dalek-wise, is that...
As other posters have pointed out, Dalek Sec neeeded the Doctor's help to make Evolution of the Daleks happen as seen. Without it, the transfer into the blank humans doesn't happen.
In its absence, the other members of the Cult of Skaro turn on Human-Sec, somehow they all end up dead apart from Caan, and he teleports out in search of Davros, with the same result.
 
Question. If Davros was bought back from the Time War by Dalek Caan shifting away in Dalek's of Manhatten, how could the planets be dissappearing in the alternate timeline (last episode) where the Doctor died before going back to Manhatten and stopping the Daleks there?
 
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