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Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

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If Jack had that thing working on torchwood every episode would be about ten minutes long.
fair point, and I am in no way saying he should have time travel in Torchwood, the odd teleport wouldnt hurt from time to time, say something about how it can only charge from the rift in the 21st century, and how it cant hold the vast amount of power needed to teleport for a short period of time, whilst saying it can only charge from the rift when its within 2 miles of it.

If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
 
If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
 
I see your :wtf: and raise you a :scream::wtf::rolleyes::o:borg::p

I don't get this. I wasn't really impressed with the episode either, as it was simply crammed with characters from the past, references to prior events, and an old enemy: A gigantic hodgepodge of continuity porn and "fanwank," to use the term." I thought it was horribly written and pretty weakly directed, too ... the sequence of Rose and the Doctor running towards each other was absolutely ridiculous and needed only some flying doves and church bells to push it over the top.

So that's my opinion. Why do you have to bitch about people who didn't enjoy it?

Very good point, no matter if you thought the episode was the best thing since sliced bread or you hated it you should be able to post your opinions without them somehow being vilified, another reason why i don't like these visible polls because it will stop some people posting their true opinions especially if they god forbid did not like the episode.

Yeah well, under the last poll system, all the trolls kept coming in and voting 'poor' before the episode had even aired, in some lame attempt to rile the fans. When Emh mentioned that the move to VB would offer an option to see who votes for what, a lot of people seemed to agree that it would be a good way to deter the trolls if we started using it, thus it was sort of agreed that the VB polls would use the visible option.
And really, if anyone doesn't post their opinion here, or votes higher than they would have normally, just to avoid being disagreed with or "vilified", then that's their problem, and they should probably try not taking the internet so seriously.

I'm also interested to know how a bunch of "WTF?" smilies consitutes the vilification of his opinion. In fact, seeing as how tobindax has contributed pretty much nothing but trollish or nonsensical posts since he joined here, I'd say everyone who disagreed with his post went pretty lightly on him.

So that's my opinion. Why do you have to bitch about people who didn't enjoy it?

Yeah, cause I bet never in your live have you replied with a "Huh?" or an "Are you nuts?", or something similar when someone told you they didn't like something that you thought was amazing.
 
If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
I would agree, after all if a regeration fixed mental issues then the Master would have been sorted after his first death.

Regenerations alter a Time Lords personality but they are still essentially the same person.
 
If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
So we just need to find a scrape goat to save Gallifrey. I wonder what would happen to Jack if he tried it...
Being immortal and insane doesn't sound like a great idea to me :p
Well, I'm just wondering if the brain cells would reset if he killed himself. I suppose the same possibility exists for Time Lord regeneration, but I doubt it. Otherwise, you're absolutely right.

well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
I would agree, after all if a regeration fixed mental issues then the Master would have been sorted after his first death.

Regenerations alter a Time Lords personality but they are still essentially the same person.
Yup, good point about The Master. And The Doctor has had some loopy moments of his own, although still relatively sane. I just doubt that he could recover from breaking the Time Lock.
 
If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
changes every cell in his body (or words to that effect) the mind if made up of cells. I dont know for sure but its possible it a regeneration would fix it.
 
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
changes every cell in his body (or words to that effect) the mind if made up of cells. I dont know for sure but its possible it a regeneration would fix it.
But not to the point that it doesn't affect his memory cells or personality. A basic template (as it were) remains in tact and I think the severe damage Caan suffered would damage such a template irreversibly.

If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
So we just need to find a scrape goat to save Gallifrey. I wonder what would happen to Jack if he tried it...
He might turn into The Face Of Boe.
No, because Jack does. :p

Besides, I think Jack becoming The Face of Boe makes much more sense that The Doctor.
 
No, because Jack does. :p

Besides, I think Jack becoming The Face of Boe makes much more sense that The Doctor.
I meant Jack. I thought you were saying what would happen if Jack tried to save Gallifrey.
 
No, because Jack does. :p

Besides, I think Jack becoming The Face of Boe makes much more sense that The Doctor.
I meant Jack. I thought you were saying what would happen if Jack tried to save Gallifrey.
Oh, right. Too many of my own quotes floating around on this particular topic, that I didn't properly read which one you quoted. :lol: :o

You might actually be onto something...
 
well
being buried alive for a 1000 years
had no effect on his state of mind so why not!
 
If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.

At best we might end up with another 'damaged' Doctor ala the 9th...which isn't neccesarily a bad thing...
 
I know the fan fiction says Romana became President of the Time Lord council, but since that has not been established could we possibly see her return from the pocket universe she is in since the barriers between universes is weakening?
That would be great if a older Lalla Ward or even a new regeneration of Romana showed up to help save the day. The last time she was seen she was getting ready to build her own TARDIS with K-9's help.

Also, isn't Susan running around out in our universe as well? What about the Rani? There are possibly other timelords roaming around. One of these two could go into the time war and alter things.
 
Also, Ten was kind of crazy in the beginning, too. He just mellowed over time (or I got used to it). I loved the Christmas Invasion craziness.
 
The term is "regeneration sickness". They're all crazy for a while after they regenerate. it's funny.

8 kissed a girl, how fucking bonkers is that?
 
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.
At best we might end up with another 'damaged' Doctor ala the 9th...which isn't neccesarily a bad thing...
True, but at worst, we could get someone that would make The Sixth Doctor look perfectly normal.

I know the fan fiction says Romana became President of the Time Lord council, but since that has not been established could we possibly see her return from the pocket universe she is in since the barriers between universes is weakening?
That would be great if a older Lalla Ward or even a new regeneration of Romana showed up to help save the day. The last time she was seen she was getting ready to build her own TARDIS with K-9's help.
In Davies' write up about the Time War in the Doctor Who Magazine (correct me if I got the wrong magazine) mentions Romana as Lady President of Gallifrey. That being said, I like to believe she fled back to E-Space just before the destruction of Gallifrey (a contingency plan, if you will) along with a few others like Leela, Drax, Susan, and the two K-9s.

Also, isn't Susan running around out in our universe as well? What about the Rani? There are possibly other timelords roaming around. One of these two could go into the time war and alter things.
Based on The Master returning for the fight, I bet all Time Lords who were out in the universe were called into battle. Susan, The Rani, Drax, Azmael, K'anpo Rimpoche, The Meddling Monk, hell maybe even Chronotis/Salyavin.

well
being buried alive for a 1000 years
had no effect on his state of mind so why not!
Which is fucking dumb, I have to say...
Yeah, I agree on that.
 
I laughed when we saw Gwen and her battle cry and then a shot of Ianto like "Whoa! what the hell?" probably freaked him out. This is the first time i've seen torchwood since they're doing this massive crossover and SJA.

If you're willing to go insane and make swiss cheese of the boundary between universes, resulting in the ultimate destruction of time and space, sure.
well wouldnt the Doctor just have to go into the Time War save a few Time Lords, go mad and then regenerate?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know if the severe mental damage can be reversed by a regeneration. If anything, the regeneration could make the damage even worse.

sorry for being dense but I don't understand how Dalek Caan went insane.

Okay I understand the phrase "time locked" If it were unlocked, time could be rewritten and anyone can go back and make changes to the war.

That's why the doctor has said he can't go back. It's the equivalent of a deadlock on a door. Somehow Caan got through by emergency temporal shifting.

So my question is, did he have to relive the time war over and over? how did that happen?

Is it because the time war is "time locked" it will forever repeat in some pocket of time?
 
We don't know what specifically caused his insanity other than breaking through the Time Lock. You might be right about reliving the Time War over and over. Or he could be reliving ALL of time? Or more likely it's something like looking into the Time Vortex?
 
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