Do you wish TNG had been better with the action scenes?

[dupersuper]

I always hated the battle scenes when the ship would get hit by phaser fire or something and Picard would just sit there and ask for a damage report. Worf would say all departments are reporting this. Was the report generated by the computer because if not, there is no way they could have reported the damage that quickly. Also, how about firing back ASAP instead of just getting a report? I kind of think the opponent would keep firing instead of just stopping...unless their captain asks for a damage report on the other ship just to even things up.

I was more annoyed when they acted like they were supposed to be in a hurry, but weren't moving. Like how the stars are standing still outside the briefing room window in Tin Man while they're saying how important it is that they beat the Romulans there. Then surely you could've had this briefing en route???

 

[Whizkid]

I'm not talking about change the general tone of the show or characters. The spirit of the show would be the same. Do you wish though when the crew got into a fight with aliens if would have been more compelling w

No Sir

I'm not talking about change the general tone of the show or characters. The spirit of the show would be the same. Do you wish though when the crew got into a fight with aliens if would have been more compelling with the fights better staged and the spaceship battles a little bit more than two ships just standing still shooting weapons at each other?

I kind of wish the show had delivered better in this department. Relied to much on technobabble for "action." and it was a poor substitute. At the same time I wouldn't want the show to be a dumbed down action show either. Like I said the show would still have same tone and everything.


Jason

ith the fights better staged and the spaceship battles a little bit more than two ships just standing still shooting weapons at each other?

I kind of wish the show had delivered better in this department. Relied to much on technobabble for "action." and it was a poor substitute. At the same time I wouldn't want the show to be a dumbed down action show either. Like I said the show would still have same tone and everything.

No Sir.

@Jason1

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See. What you call "technobabble" is according to me Star Trek. I'm not a science student. Philosophy. And I'm great at it. And will continue to be.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The thing is, the techno bable is based off how the in-universe technology works.

That's why they wrote a Writers Technical Manual for the TNG era and published the TNG technical manuals so fans can figure out how things work on the ship.

What baffles me is their hand to hand combat action director.

WAY too many double axe handles & palm strikes.

A serious lack of Martial Arts diversity, especially given all the forms available around the world & the prevalence of Hong Kong style Martial Arts slowly taking over the world at the time for the TNG era.

Also, for Shoot-Outs between people, having to hold still for a split second while your continuous beam stays on target is asking to be shot.

That's why Energy Bolts > Energy Beams in a person to person Shoot-Out.

The old principle of Shoot & Scoot should be kept in mind.

Fire, go behind cover or get away from your position, re think and shoot back.

There is a TPS (Time, Place, & Situation) for all the different Phaser Energy Fire Patterns available:
- Energy Bolts = 'Anti-People' shooting back at you.
- Continuous Energy Beam = 'Anti-Emplacement' or slow moving target.
- Energy Cone / Area of Effect = 'Anti-Target Area' or many small targets in a zone.
- Wide Energy Fan = 'Anti-Multiple Personnel' along a wide Horizontal Plane
- Energy Shot Pellets = 'Anti-Aerial Flying targets' that are medium to close distance away

 

[Whizkid]

@KamenRiderBlade

I totally agree with your analysis of the action scenes in TNG (and elsewhere) but the thing is that Starfleet and the UFP in general (except perhaps the Klingons) is/are not supposed to be a military outfit but rather an assorted group of scientific explorers seeking to map out "the final frontier."

That so much appears to be "military" - Admiral, Captain, Commodore, Commander, "Red Alert! Shields up!,..., "Mr. Worf, Fire!," even Enterprise - has perhaps more to do with Earth's own history of Naval Exploration rather than Naval Warfare.

After all, all of the ST franchise is set in a post-scarcity, post-conflict world.

In that sense it is not surprising that a bunch of people who are basically scientists/explorers would find themselves on unsure footing in situations of armed conflict, rather than acting as a suave Bond or a gritty Bourne.

It is in fact the latter which would be untenable, given the in-universe setting of Trek

 

[Orphalesion]

A serious lack of Martial Arts diversity, especially given all the forms available around the world & the prevalence of Hong Kong style Martial Arts slowly taking over the world at the time for the TNG era.

Well the problem with that is of course that they'd have to get actors who are also trained in martial arts, which would seriously deplete the pool of actors available at a television budget, or pay for stuntmen each time, which then also have to be shot in a way that masks that they are stuntmen.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

@KamenRiderBlade
I totally agree with your analysis of the action scenes in TNG (and elsewhere) but the thing is that Starfleet and the UFP in general (except perhaps the Klingons) is/are not supposed to be a military outfit but rather an assorted group of scientific explorers seeking to map out "the final frontier."

That so much appears to be "military" - Admiral, Captain, Commodore, Commander, "Red Alert! Shields up!,..., "Mr. Worf, Fire!," even Enterprise - has perhaps more to do with Earth's own history of Naval Exploration rather than Naval Warfare.

After all, all of the ST franchise is set in a post-scarcity, post-conflict world.

In that sense it is not surprising that a bunch of people who are basically scientists/explorers would find themselves on unsure footing in situations of armed conflict, rather than acting as a suave Bond or a gritty Bourne.

It is in fact the latter which would be untenable, given the in-universe setting of Trek

We already have an entire thread on whether the StarFleet is the military.

And I've already stated my piece on it.

IMO, StarFleet is ½ (Scientific, Exploratory, & Diplomacy) corp & ½ (Military, Defense, Rescue).

They are required to do both aspects of the job equally well.

 

[Whizkid]

We already have an entire thread on whether the StarFleet is the military.

And I've already stated my piece on it.

They are required to do both aspects of the job equally well.

IMO, StarFleet is ½ (Scientific, Exploratory, & Diplomacy) corp & ½ (Military, Defense, Rescue).

Dear @KamenRiderBlade ,

I mean no offense. We're both Trekkies.

But StarFleet is NOT a military organization. Not 50%, or 25%, or even 0.01%. Why believe guides when you and I clearly love ST as much as the next person? Guides are important, yes, but they only exist to service fans. Such as you and I.

I think the point is, "exploration" always carries the risk of colonialism/revolution and, thus, violence/military response. ("If you employ violence to rescue others from violent circumstances, is it really violence?" And vice versa. Difficult question. )

THAT is the brilliance of ST! Soft-hearted curiosity meets hard-hearted fact.

I read your suggested post. Thank you. But I'd like to suggest to @Commander Troi that there is really one answer to the question. ST is NOT in the least a military operation. It may be insidious (as many non-UFP worlds believe), but it's certainly not military.

I hope I didn't come across too strongly. Take care.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

IMO, StarFleet is ½ (Scientific, Exploratory, & Diplomacy) corp & ½ (Military, Defense, Rescue).

Dear @KamenRiderBlade ,

I mean no offense. We're both Trekkies.

But StarFleet is NOT a military organization. Not 50%, or 25%, or even 0.01%. Why believe guides when you and I clearly love ST as much as the next person? Guides are important, yes, but they only exist to service fans. Such as you and I.

I think the point is, "exploration" always carries the risk of colonialism/revolution and, thus, violence/military response. ("If you employ violence to rescue others from violent circumstances, is it really violence?" And vice versa. Difficult question. )

THAT is the brilliance of ST! Soft-hearted curiosity meets hard-hearted fact.

I read your suggested post. Thank you. But I'd like to suggest to @Commander Troi that there is really one answer to the question. ST is NOT in the least a military operation. It may be insidious (as many non-UFP worlds believe), but it's certainly not military.

I hope I didn't come across too strongly. Take care.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here WhizKid.

Let's leave it at that.

 

[Whizkid]

Ok.

No hard feelings @KamenRiderBlade.

Perhaps we will resume this conversation at some point in 10-Forward!

 

[Whizkid]

Ok.

No hard feelings @KamenRiderBlade.

Perhaps we will resume this conversation at some point in 10-Forward!

Live long and prosper.