Do you think they should/will reboot the Star Wars prequels?

[Jayson1]

As a point of clarification, I'm not speaking out against disliking the Prequel Trilogy; I'm primarily speaking out against two things:
1) The notion that the Prequel Trilogy is universally hated (which is demonstrably false)
2) That the vocal minority that dislikes the Prequel Trilogy has the right to pass off their own ideas about what "should've" been done with the Prequel Trilogy as being rooted in some kind of universally accepted truth/fact by "fan-editing" the movies and/or claiming that they, and only they, truly understand what the Prequels "needed" in order to be "successful", especially when the films were in fact ALREADY successful.

I disagree with the idea that the people who dislike the movie's are in the minority. When something becomes famous for for being seen as bad then that says something. It's no different than how people feel about "Batman and Robin" or"Batman vs Superman." While quality of the fillm's are always subjective i'm not sure it is when it comes to overal popularity. I do think people are overall a little more positive with the second and third even though the dislike for Hayden Christensen seems to be way into the negative.

Also I think most fans don't even have a problem with the stories. It's all about the way the stories were told. I don't think anyone every was against the idea of seeing how Darth Vader became who he was or the fall of the Jedi and the republic. The basic setup is very much a good thing which is why I would love a reboot. I would love to see this concept be done the right way.

Jason

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make them any less factual. If the Prequels were in fact seen as being as bad as you think they are, they would not have made the amount of money that they did (90%+ of which came from general audiences).

Also, please knock it off with this "seeing the concept done right" junk, especially if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Jayson1]

^ You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make them any less factual. If the Prequels were in fact seen as being as bad as you think they are, they would not have made the amount of money that they did (90%+ of which came from general audiences).

Also, please knock it off with this "seeing the concept done right" junk, especially if you want to be taken seriously.

If someone doesn't like how something is done, then how else are they supose to state their opinion? Also when you think about it, a reboot could actually solve some of the conflict by simply giving people options. If people love the prequels that Lucas did they could still accept those versions in their personal continuity.

Jason

 

[DigificWriter]

If someone doesn't like how something is done, then how else are they supose to state their opinion?

By saying exactly that: that they don't like the way the Prequels were done narratively.

 

[Jayson1]

By saying exactly that: that they don't like the way the Prequels were done narratively.

I thought that was what I said. The problem though is that there are other problems as well with the films,beyond just the writing. The acting,the direction and overall look is just not that good. Jar Jar floped in the comedy department. The third movie actually comes pretty close to being a good movie. the only real hangup is Anakin is just a very badly written and badly acted character. I think one of the biggest problem's is that we never really see the character have any good traits. It's hard to really do a story about a character that falls from grace and turns to the darkside if you kind of feel like he has been a asshole, most of the time.
Jason

 

[fireproof78]

^ You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make them any less factual. If the Prequels were in fact seen as being as bad as you think they are, they would not have made the amount of money that they did (90%+ of which came from general audiences).

Also, please knock it off with this "seeing the concept done right" junk, especially if you want to be taken seriously.

Again, Transformers as a franchise has made large amounts of money. Does that make them good films, narratively?

I think the PT was ok in concept, but the characters were done a diservice in their presentation, aside from Palpatine, who honestly comes out looking like a villain with a great point.

Finally, the argument that people can dislike the PT but cannot claim it is universally reviled, does not sync with prior arguments that if you don't like the PT you must have misunderstood them.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Again, Transformers as a franchise has made large amounts of money. Does that make them good films, narratively?

I think the TF Bay Movies are a good comparison because with both franchises the built in fanbase will go see it because of childhood nostalgia/memories (regardless of the story quality) though with Transformers a lot of that is with the international audience while SW it's more with the Western fandom. It's just with TFs, it's easier here to take off the blinders (and see the movie is terrible) for a franchise you are not that invested in. The same I guess with SW on the other end for countries who were never exposed to the OT in the 70s/80s.

 

[Prax]

Whether you like something or not is colored by a whole bunch factors, influences, biases, tastes, etc. All of them are subjective.

I've probably said this Trekside before. The only real way one can objectively appraise art, is to determine whether or not the artist(s) achieved the goals they set out to accomplish.

Bad acting, cheesy dialogue, on and on. These are things the original trilogy was notorious for. They've now entered "classic territory." More than that, they've been raised on a pedestal, especially in the last ten years.

The problem though is that there are other problems as well with the films,beyond just the writing. The acting,the direction and overall look is just not that good.

Whenever I hear someone start a sentence with "The problem is..." or "I think what the problem is..." I chuckle on the inside. On the Trek forums, people do this all the time when they're about to complain about one series or another. And this is a great example of those above mentioned factors at work. It all comes down to taste.

There is no problem except a personal problem of why you don't enjoy it. Your "bad" is another person's "good" and vice versa.

"The look of the films" -Even the most negative critics of the prequels praised the look of the films, the visuals, the art design and so on.

 

[LJones41]

I disagree with the idea that the people who dislike the movie's are in the minority. When something becomes famous for for being seen as bad then that says something. It's no different than how people feel about "Batman and Robin" or"Batman vs Superman." While quality of the fillm's are always subjective i'm not sure it is when it comes to overal popularity. I do think people are overall a little more positive with the second and third even though the dislike for Hayden Christensen seems to be way into the negative.

Also I think most fans don't even have a problem with the stories. It's all about the way the stories were told. I don't think anyone every was against the idea of seeing how Darth Vader became who he was or the fall of the Jedi and the republic. The basic setup is very much a good thing which is why I would love a reboot. I would love to see this concept be done the right way.

Jason

Most fans? How do you know that most fans dislike the Prequel films? They might be the most vocal, but honestly, how do any of us really know how many moviegoers like or disliked the PT, the OT, the newly created ST or even "Rogue One"?

 

[Smellmet]

Fans that dislike stuff tend to be the most vocal. Look at the hate thrown at Star Trek into Darkness on these boards by some folk, or that bullshit 'poll' at the fan convention stating it's the worst Trek movie ever made.

 

[doylem1]

I thought Jar Jar Abrams was currently in the process of remaking the Original Trilogy. I thought I was watching a remake of a New Hope when I went to see The Force Awakens.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Force Awakens isn't meant to be a "remake" of A New Hope, but rather an attempt to make a Star Wars film that emphasizes and attempts to recapture what J.J. Abrams believed the franchise's narrative intent to be based on his own original viewing of ANH back in '77 as a child. It does feel repetitive because of that, but he wasn't intending to straight-up "remake" ANH in any way.

 

[fireproof78]

The characters are more different than Abrams is ever given credit for.

 

[VulcanMindBlown]

I'd honestly like to see how people could have changed the PT to make it more well-recepted by most fans, especially the older ones.... however they are not going to do it.

I am more of a fan of George Lucas, and the PT then what Abrams and Disney did with the Star Wars universe... but I did like Rogue One. Very good movie... it is on my top three with A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith. Sheesh... I must REALLY like that time period...

 

[DigificWriter]

The Prequel Trilogy is already "well-recepted by most fans" as-is.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd honestly like to see how people could have changed the PT to make it more well-recepted by most fans, especially the older ones.... however they are not going to do it.

I am more of a fan of George Lucas, and the PT then what Abrams and Disney did with the Star Wars universe... but I did like Rogue One. Very good movie... it is on my top three with A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith. Sheesh... I must REALLY like that time period...

Just improve the characters and you are 95% there.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The characters don't need to be improved. They're just fine as presented.

 

[fireproof78]

^^
I'm glad you like them. I do not find them sympathetic, enjoyable or realistic.

 

[Hound of UIster]

I thought Jar Jar Abrahams was currently in the process of remaking the Original Trilogy. I thought I was watching a remake of a New Hope when I went to see The Force Awakens.

Jar Jar screws up on accident. JJ screws up on purpose.

 

[fireproof78]

Jar Jar screws up on accident. JJ screws up on purpose.

If Abrams is to be mocked, can his name at least be spelled correctly?