Do you think there are any species in Star Trek that WANT to be assimilated by the Borg?
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One cube which had the Queen herself on board. In fact, each time the Borg attacked Earth directly, the Queen was personally present and overseeing the matter. By her own admission, she doesn't do that for every planet. Earth at least is clearly considered something special to the Borg, or at least the Queen.
Does the Queen being on board really mean anything though? For all we know the Queen can appear on any Borg vessel at any time she chooses.
That she chose to be aboard the cubes that attacked Earth on both occasions certainly does mean something, particularly given her later comments indicating she doesn't show up for when any ordinary planet is assimilated.
The Borg Queen could be a Queen in the sense that’s ants have Queens for all we know. One Queen per colony (or Cube).
That would explain why we’ve seen several different ones over the years.
That would explain why we’ve seen several different ones over the years.
I would have preferred it if the Queen had been more of an avatar representing the collective in a singular entity rather than an overseer of sorts (one that even, bafflingly, commands them verbally at times), but we got what we got.
In any case, given the sheer numbers and overwhelming power of the Borg, the presence or absence of a Queen on a single vessel doesn't mean much to me either way. Given the Borg's prior brushes with humans and Earth, it's entirely possible that she was on the cube in BOBW because Earth was of more interest to the Borg than many other worlds. But that's like saying that one leaf is more interesting to me than another.
I don't think humans are special to the Borg...I think the only reason they appear special is because we're watching the franchise through a human-centric focus.
In any case, given the sheer numbers and overwhelming power of the Borg, the presence or absence of a Queen on a single vessel doesn't mean much to me either way. Given the Borg's prior brushes with humans and Earth, it's entirely possible that she was on the cube in BOBW because Earth was of more interest to the Borg than many other worlds. But that's like saying that one leaf is more interesting to me than another.
I don't think humans are special to the Borg...I think the only reason they appear special is because we're watching the franchise through a human-centric focus.
The way the queen has been depicted up to now, especially the affect her death has, indicates one queen is influential to the entire collective, not just 1 cube
HOWEVER, season 2 of Picard could be taken that there could be multiple queens. The Borg queen captured by the humans was still alive but, no doubt, the Borg were still in existence in the galaxy with a new queen. Then the nearly dead Borg queen went back in time and formed her new collective with the assimilated police officers. Then, after merging with or assimilating Jurati, the Jurati queen came forward in time with her collective while there likely was another queen already in the 25th century.
So, future Treks could depict competing Borg collective each with their own queen
No. Please no. No more Borg.
The beaten dead horse is begging no more.
The beaten dead horse is begging no more.
Even a technologically primitive civilization could have *something* the Borg want, like the primitive civilizations they assimilated in VOY because they had vague legends about the Omega Molecule.
It seems less likely for them to assimilate primitive species, but it evidently can happen.
That being said, a lot the species we see them assimilate in VOY might not be "primitive", but definitely rather pedestrian/unspectacular. Makes you wonder what exactly they gained from them.
I still wonder what they 'gain' exactly in the long term from assimilating, say, a species with spectacularly strong or resilient bodies. Sure, they have some very strong heavy duty drones for a couple of centuries, but as far as I know, those drone bodies don't have eternal life and are subject to accidents too. But do they reverse engineer the body chemistry after assimilating that species, learning what makes them so strong and improve other drones in a similar way if possible, or is the 'perfection' gained by assimilating them simply lost to the Collective after a millennium or so?
(after all, their creed says 'add your biological distinctiveness to our own').
(after all, their creed says 'add your biological distinctiveness to our own').
Baby Borg implies reproduction. By assimilating an entire species, perhaps the Borg can reproduce members of that species biologically or through cloning.
Or perhaps genetic manipulation allows the Borg to use nantes to imbue drones with whatever ability that has been assimilated and added to the collective
Or perhaps genetic manipulation allows the Borg to use nantes to imbue drones with whatever ability that has been assimilated and added to the collective
^ Possibly. It's only a pity that the assumption of some drones being born Borg pretty much went out of the window after Q Who. At least, in the older series (can't speak about the newer series, not having seen them), and with the possible exception of VOY::Drone.
The Borg are massively fucked, thanks to Admiral Janeway.
They also have the "nice" Borg, thanks to Jurati.
That, or perhaps the Queen is beyond being either 'personally aboard' or not. The Borg Queen seems to be able to manifest herself where she wants and to not be dependent on a single body.
Similarly, the pathogen Janeway introduced may have finished her off for good, or then again, it may not have.
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It's this. I don't know where the idea that the Collective is fractured into miniature hives comes from, especially since that notion contradicts not only the "order" that the Borg Collective strives for, but everything that's been shown and said on the topic in every appearance since Voyager.
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Well, there is the Collective from "UNITY". We have no way of knowing if the Borg found them and reassimilated them... or simply destroyed them.
There's the Jurati Collective.
We also don't know what happened to all the Borg who were part of Unimatrix Zero.
Not that I want to see anything more with the Borg, but I can see how some people might be confused at there being so many collectives.
There's the Jurati Collective.
We also don't know what happened to all the Borg who were part of Unimatrix Zero.
Not that I want to see anything more with the Borg, but I can see how some people might be confused at there being so many collectives.
The Borg Queen herself and her being a sneaky villain with personal aspirations and desires and grudges already ruined the idea of the collective.
I think the idea of the multiple Borg Queen comes from the scene in Unimatrix Zero where she says that she herself was assimilated as a child. Let alone the fact that they put her into a villain lair where it felt like Janeway could walk in and snark at her whenever she felt like it. All that was missing in Voyager was episodes ending with the Borg Queen shaking her fist and declaring "I'll get you next time, Janeway!" before complaining about her headache.
Now I don't have a strong opinion on whether there's one or multiple Borg Queens but I think the idea of multiple Borg Queens would not necessarily contradict the idea of the Borg any more than the existence of one Borg Queen already does. I think the idea would be to see the Borg as a Network and the multiple Borg Queens as the "Hubs".
Other than the observable fact that she's died on and off screen several times, there's never been any mention of multiple simultaneous Queen characters in any Star Trek series, and characters only ever refer to one character known as "The Borg Queen" unless it's in reference to alternate reality shenanigans. The network analogy also doesn't track since we're only shown a top-down command hierarchy with oversight over the entire Collective.
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