Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

[Guy Gardener]

Forbidden.

Richard Bashir went to jail for updgrading his son, even though every thing worked out fine, and it was 20 years later.

46 chromosomes in a cell. 2 relate to sexuality. There's 37.2 trillion cells in a standard human body. So you want to jiggle 74.4 trillion chromosomes without effecting any of the other 1636.2 trillion chromosones that control and define other shit, that are all packed in there tight together like sardines in a can.

I'm not saying they can't do it.

I'm saying they're not allowed to do it.

Because Politicians who do not understand science make the law.

 

[Awesome Possum]

They modified Tom and Belanna's kid on VOY, she was a hybrid but I don't see why minor modification as a preventive measure would be banned. It's banning a scalpel because someone used a chainsaw centuries ago.

 

[Kemaiku]

Forbidden..

in the defunct universe, which is irrelevant. We're talking about Star Trek as it exists now, this universe already allows human enhancement, they have a cyborg as their computer interface on the bridge.

 

[Awesome Possum]

If we stick with the old universe the computers will have to be four inches thick and look like an ugly netbook. Audiences will accept it because its a future computer and looks cool. It doesn't have to fit with a dated design for the sake of pleasing fanboys who think its real.

 

[Kemaiku]

Exactly, the new movie and series are turning it into a more believable future. Yorktown is the embodiment of the Federation in a way the last 50 years never quite managed.

We need to see societal change on a similarly developed level.

 

[Koo]

They should just have a couple of characters who happen to be homosexual, but it shouldn't be the defining aspect of their character or something that deserves any noteworthy attention. It's so rare to meet a gay person in real life simply because there are so few. For most gay/lesbian people you would never even guess they were. I have met so many homosexual people; even my own sister is lesbian and you would never tell the difference between them and a straight person. It's such an insignificant part of life that it's barely worthy of being mentioned.

 

[jamestyler]

It's so rare to meet a gay person in real life simply because there are so few.

You and I must live in very different places! Around a fifth of the people I know fit into the wider LGBT (and other associated letters!) system!

 

[Guy Gardener]

in the defunct universe, which is irrelevant. We're talking about Star Trek as it exists now, this universe already allows human enhancement, they have a cyborg as their computer interface on the bridge.

How does it exist now, seriously, was their an update about the new series I missed? If the TV show is set after the Kelvin spit, then everything from Enterprise is still part of established history, including the augment plague the killed millions of klingons directly and indirectly, and then mutilated the survoivors genetically into looking mostly human for the foreseeable future.

Yorktown?

They modified Tom and Belanna's kid on VOY, she was a hybrid but I don't see why minor modification as a preventive measure would be banned. It's banning a scalpel because someone used a chainsaw centuries ago.

B'Elanna identifies as Klingon.

Only humans have a ban on genetic modification.

Oh.

Aliens can have have all the genetically modified reassignment surgery they want without legal repercussions. Go Aliens! Lucky Aliens.

Like there's a difference between state law and federal law, there's probably a difference between Earth law and Federation law, that unless pressed diplomatically, the Federaiton might forget to press human laws on humans so far from Earth.

And humans who are willing to be criminals can modify their gender on a genetic level, but then they got to hide it well, or leave human space for ever after.

 

[Amaris]

How does it exist now, seriously, was their an update about the new series I missed? If the TV show is set after the Kelvin spit, then everything from Enterprise is still part of established history, including the augment plague the killed millions of klingons directly and indirectly, and then mutilated the survoivors genetically into looking mostly human for the foreseeable future.

Yorktown?



B'Elanna identifies as Klingon.

Only humans have a ban on genetic modification.

Oh.

Aliens can have have all the genetically modified reassignment surgery they want without legal repercussions. Go Aliens! Lucky Aliens.

Like there's a difference between state law and federal law, there's probably a difference between Earth law and Federation law, that unless pressed diplomatically, the Federaiton might forget to press human laws on humans so far from Earth.

And humans who are willing to be criminals can modify their gender on a genetic level, but then they got to hide it well, or leave human space for ever after.

In a universe that no longer matters. Welcome to the new Star Trek universe which took over in 2009.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Enterprise happened.

TOS did not.

TNG did not.

DS9 did not.

Voyager did not.

Not only did Enterprise happen, but Simon Pegg killed Porthos.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Time killed Porthos, Pegg killed Porthos XV.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ironically to this discussion, there probably are not any rules against genetically modifying dogs to increase their life span considerably.

Canine Superior.

 

[JWPlatt]

Around a fifth of the people I know fit into the wider LGBT (and other associated letters!) system!

20%. It sounds self-selecting. It's possible to position yourself, accidentally or intentionally, among a disproportionate percentage of any population with a certain attribute. Gay (LG) is argued to be about 8 to 10%. Expanding that to the BT set does increase the percentage, but I've never seen it quantified.

 

[Amaris]

Enterprise happened.

Which is a part of the modern Star Trek universe. Clearly, between ENT and the events of ST09, the issue of human genome tinkering became acceptable.

TOS did not.

TNG did not.

DS9 did not.

Voyager did not.

Now, put those pieces together, and you've got it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Which is a part of the modern Star Trek universe. Clearly, between ENT and the events of ST09, the issue of human genome tinkering became acceptable.

Remind me of the line from the 2009 movie where they say that the ban on human genetic engineering has been repealed?

They had to surgically turn Khan into a white guy because 2 centuries later the dude is infamous..

 

[Amaris]

Remind me of the line from the 2009 movie where they say that the ban on human genetic engineering has been repealed?

They had to surgically turn Khan into a white guy because 2 centuries later the dude is infamous..

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/0718

 

[Guy Gardener]

1. Mechanical enhancement not genetic.

2. If you believe IDW it's something that was done to him by aliens.

 

[Amaris]

1. Mechanical enhancement not genetic.

2. If you believe IDW it's something that was done to him by aliens.

Only going by official sources, like on screen canon and Memory Alpha (which only lists canon information). IDW is not canon. You're also splitting hairs here by implying that any kind of genetic modification is a big no-no, while surgically grafting cybernetic implants that allow for telepathic communication with the ship's computer is perfectly okay. Sorry, Guy, not buying it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Cybernetic enhancement does not change your dna or what your babies will look like.

Beautiful women have ugly babies with huge unsightly noses all the time because plastic surgery is not hereditary.

Eugenics is about shaping the species.

Cybernetics only lasts one life time.

Altered genes stay altered and your children will inherit your gene mods.

Geordies children's will not come out of Leah wearing a VISOR, but they may come out blind, with the same issues he has.

 

[Amaris]

Cybernetic enhancement does not changes your dna or what your babies will look like.

Beautiful women have ugly babies with huge unsightly noses all the time because plastic surgery is not hereditary.

Eugenics is about shaping the species.

Cybernetics only lasts one life time.

Altered genes stay altered and your children will inherit your gene mods.

Geordies children's will not come out of Leah wearing a VISOR, but they may come out blind, with the same issues he has.

So where did they state that they have outlawed genetic modification in the new movies? Because they clearly allow modification of the body, again, to the point where cybernetic enhancement gives abilities commensurate with that of genetic sequencing. Seriously, guy, stick with me: new movies, not old universe.