Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

[borgboy]

Nobody's suggesting tokenism. There are plenty of amazing talented black women who would rock that role. We're not pretending that there's been a dominance of white men in leading roles because they were just that much more talented than anyone else are we?
I hardly consider one black female lead captain to be PC gone mad, not when we've never had a black female starring captain before, and there hasn't been a black female regular character since Guinan in the 80s.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And as soon as Voyager aired, I said: "Well then, progressively, the next captain will be a gay white man." and... he wasn't. But he should have been.

If the captain is always a man, and white Kathryn Janeway has sex with men, then Logically Kathryn Janeway is a white gay man.

You can't have two gay white men in a row.

It was time again for a straight white man to have a turn.

Although in Progenator, Archer sharing a space bathtub with G'Kar not much bigger than a regular bathtub, shirtless, they were at the least, the VERY least cuddling while they slept, because there was literally no room not to cuddle.

 

[Clym]

It was always strongly implied that Janeway was a closet Lesbian. All the signs were there. The husky voice, butchness, facial hair - romance with 7/9

 

[Guy Gardener]

Are the Hirogen all Assholes, odd ball pranksters or fairy godparents granting wishes?

In The Killing Game, when the crew was hypnoprogrammed into believing that they lived in World War II France.... The Characters Janeway and Seven of Nine were playing in this holoprogram were definitely lesbians, or at least that's what a woman in a tuxedo usually meant back then.

If a pre-existing relationship existed between these two women on Voyager (outside the holodeck), then nothing weird happened that they hooked up inside the simulation.

If Kathy and Anika fancied each other, but had never done anything about it, then the Hirogen programming this simulation who pushed them into each others arms, was a kindly matchmaker.

If they are both straight, and respectfully repulsed by lady junk, then the Hirogen who tricked Seven and Janeway into a month of banging each other is an asshole prankster.

If however, everyone in 24th century is bisexual (Which is what Gene Roddenberry TOLD US!!), none of this matters.

 

[borgboy]

Sexual orientation, and attraction, don't take away your right to consent.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

If however, everyone in 24th century is bisexual (Which is what Gene Roddenberry TOLD US!!), none of this matters.

When/where did he say that?

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's a footnote in the novelization The Motion Picture.

A student interviewing Admiral Kirk for the paper, mistakes that Kirk and spock were lovers. kirk laughs and says that if he was going to chose boyfriend, that he would like to have the better sence than to select one who only boffs once every 7 years. Kirk then goes on to muse about the current multisexual ramblings of the campus where gender is a non issue and every one is doing it with anyone.

NOT A JOKE.

2Editor’s note: The human concept of friend is most nearly duplicated in Vulcan thought by the termt’hy’la, which can also mean brother and lover. Spock’s recollection (from which this chapter has drawn) is that it was a most difficult moment for him since he did indeed consider Kirk to have become his brother. However, because t’hy’lacan be used to mean lover, and since Kirk’s and Spock’s friendship was unusually close, this has led to some speculation over whether they had actually indeed become lovers. At our request, Admiral Kirk supplied the following comment on this subject:

“I was never aware of this lovers rumor, although I have been told that Spock encountered it several times. Apparently he had always dismissed it with his characteristic lifting of his right eyebrow which usually connoted some combination of surprise, disbelief, and/or annoyance. As for myself, although I have no moral or other objections to physical love in any of its many Earthly, alien, and mixed forms, I have always found my best gratification in that creature woman. Also, I would dislike being thought of as so foolish that I would select a love partner who came into sexual heat only once every seven years.”

There's more but I can't be bothered.

I read a first printing a while back, and that foot note was right after the student being a nosey dick, but the Ebook on my hard drive puts the editors notes in the back of the book.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I think that by the 23rd/24th century, where people are quite happy to engage in inter-species sex that most would be more fluid with their sexuality as well--after all not every species will have the same plumbing, so sometimes compromises would have to be made with what goes where.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sexual orientation, and attraction, don't take away your right to consent.

Tom and B'lanna were mind controlled into not knowing each other twice.

both times they fought through all that crap, to make it back to each other without still knowing who they were themselves.

(Workforce and Killing Game.)

If that's how "love" works in Star Trek, then LOGICALLY Janeway and Seven wound up together in Killing Game because deep down they wanted to be together.

 

[Tiger Devil Dog]

Most girls would go lez for Seven in a heartbeat.

 

[TwoJakes]

People should get jobs based on their own merits and talents

So if a character is a black woman, you're saying a white man should be cast in the role?

 

[Destructor]

I'm surprised you would advocate such tokenism.

Casting actors just because they're black/female/gay/disabled/whatever is insulting affirmative action tokenism and reverse discrimination. People should get jobs based on their own merits and talents. It's PC gone mad

This position assumes that the 'default' character is white, and male. So if I don't cast someone who is 'black' or 'female', what am I left with? How about we let the writers craft their characters and then cast to suit? But yes, if the crew of the new ship is as, straight, white and male-heavy as EVERY OTHER Trek show (as was pointed out, Voyager had the most women and was still mostly populated with men), that will not be cool. That will be bullshit.

I'm really not even slight concerned that there might not be any straight white men on the new show. There almost certainly will be. But if there wasn't, who cares? They're on literally every other bloody show. Can you really not enjoy some good sci-fi unless it has someone just like you on it?

 

[T'Bonz]

It was always strongly implied that Janeway was a closet Lesbian. (other bullshit clipped)

Post shit like this again and I will personally remove you from the BBS. End of discussion. Take note, others inclined towards this type of behavior.

 

[Long Syntax]

Wholy crap - just write good sci-fi and forget all the other BS and I'll watch it. All this PC "chat" (using a nice word here) is irrelevant to the success of the show IMHO.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They're not worried about you not watching.

 

[Long Syntax]

Back at ya

 

[Takeru]

Wholy crap - just write good sci-fi and forget all the other BS and I'll watch it. All this PC "chat" (using a nice word here) is irrelevant to the success of the show IMHO.

If you're not interested in "PC chat", then maybe this is the wrong thread for you. What did you expect based on the title?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Back at ya

Duh. Exactly.

I assume you're a hard core trekker?

My neck hurts.

 

[Long Syntax]

If you're not interested in "PC chat", then maybe this is the wrong thread for you. What did you expect based on the title?

That's a valid point, but there's 35 pages. It suffices to say that there are a vocal group of people that would like to see more of such characters. At some point reading this thread it seemed like beating a dead horse.

Anyway, my 2 cents - take it for what it's worth.

 

[Takeru]

At some point reading this thread it seemed like beating a dead horse.

That's not entirely wrong, the thread is going in circles a bit but that's true for many more. In a thread about a specific topic the same arguments and opnions will come up periodically when new people join the discussion and there's nothing wrong with that.

This is about people wanting representation and for a straight, white male it's easy to say "Just cast who's best for the job!" because that approach will almost inevitably lead to a good number of straight white male cast members because that is the default setting for characters unless specified.

Just read this short description:

Captain - early to mid forties, born on earth, taught at the academy for several years and is now returning to active starship duty, recently divorced.

How many people would think this sounds like a lesbian asian woman for example? Not many! And I bet when you read this you imagined a white male who just divorced his wife. And to be honest, so did I! I wrote it and the image still popped up in my head. The white straight male as a default is so ingrained that it is hard to get away from it and that makes threads like this one so important.