Do you think Kirk would have begged Q to save them from the Borg

[HIjol]

TOS Kirk would have (fake) surrendered and Spock and Scotty and McCoy would have devised a device (!) to fake life signs of a Human. The Borg would scan and see that there were "Humans" ready to beam over, only to find - to the rising notes of the trumpets and coronets: DAAA DA DAAA DA DAAAA DA - BOOOOM!!! the matter-antimatter bomb sent to destroy them.

Or, if no budget that week, Kirk would have slept with the Borg Queen (girth and all) and the resultant child could be woven into future episodes/timelines/iterations/

 

[at Quark's]

I don't think Kirk could have saved himself using his own wit from this one. Why ?

Because the entire point of the episode 'Q Who' is that Q brings the crew into a situation for which there simply is no solution, at their current level of knowledge, no matter how clever the crew or captain might be (keep in mind that the 'sleep' solution from 'best of both worlds' became available to them only after Picard had been assimilated and he could tell them; but assimiliation simply was'nt a concept in 'Q who') .

The episode "demands" that the captain surrenders to Q. Of course you can change the ending and give it a TOS-like victory for Kirk & crew, but then it just ain't 'Q Who' anymore.

It would have been interesting though, to have seen Kirk in a situation in which there simply is no win (short of asking Q), not even of the 'kobiyashi maru' type.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

Kirk would not have surrendered to Q!

He's defiant: "You're no God to Us, Mister!"- Who Mourns For Adonis

He questions: " Excuse me. What does God need with a Starship?"

Kirk surrendered in TUC only because galactic peace was at stake

 

[at Quark's]

Kirk would not have surrendered to Q!

He's defiant: "You're no God to Us, Mister!"- Who Mourns For Adonis

He questions: " Excuse me. What does God need with a Starship?"

Kirk surrendered in TUC only because galactic peace was at stake

That could be true. (Q himself says : "That was a difficult admission. Another man would have been humiliated to say those words. Another man would have rather died than ask for help. ")

But in that case I'd say that this story essentially cannot be told in the TOS format.

 

[kirkfan]

Kirk would not have surrendered to Q!

He's defiant: "You're no God to Us, Mister!"- Who Mourns For Adonis

He questions: " Excuse me. What does God need with a Starship?"

Kirk surrendered in TUC only because galactic peace was at stake

That could be true. (Q himself says : "That was a difficult admission. Another man would have been humiliated to say those words. Another man would have rather died than ask for help. ")

But in that case I'd say that this story essentially cannot be told in the TOS format.

You're definitely on to something.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

No, I don't think that Kirk would've surrendered to the Borg (especially not TOS-era Kirk), but that's what makes horse races. Star Trek would be a lot more boring if every single Captain reacted in the exact same way.

I found it interesting in my rewatch of TWOK last week that it plays a very similar note to one that Meyer used in TUC: Kirk agreeing to surrender (or at least heading in that direction), and Uhura expressing shock at the prospect.

I really don't know if Kirk was ready to surrender to the Reliant, even though the message said it was to discuss terms of surrender. I just think he was so stunned by the whole turn of events that he at least wanted to know what the hell had just happened and who was behind it before he decided on his next course of action.

I have little doubt that if the prefix code plan had failed that the we would have seen the Enterprise self-destruct scene one movie earlier than TSFS. Only it would have had a full starfleet crew aboard, instead of a handful of Klingons, when the countdown hit zero.

 

[kirkfan]

No, I don't think that Kirk would've surrendered to the Borg (especially not TOS-era Kirk), but that's what makes horse races. Star Trek would be a lot more boring if every single Captain reacted in the exact same way.

I found it interesting in my rewatch of TWOK last week that it plays a very similar note to one that Meyer used in TUC: Kirk agreeing to surrender (or at least heading in that direction), and Uhura expressing shock at the prospect.

I really don't know if Kirk was ready to surrender to the Reliant, even though the message said it was to discuss terms of surrender. I just think he was so stunned by the whole turn of events that he at least wanted to know what the hell had just happened and who was behind it before he decided on his next course of action.

I have little doubt that if the prefix code plan had failed that the we would have seen the Enterprise self-destruct scene one movie earlier than TSFS. Only it would have had a full starfleet crew aboard, instead of a handful of Klingons, when the countdown hit zero.

If the prefix code plan had failed Kahn would have likely blown them out of the sky.

 

[ConRefit79]

I think he would have waited as long Picard did to ask Q to help. From what I recall. his ship, crew and his duty always overrode his ego.

Off topic: Would the Borg even bother with the 23rd Century Federation? And before you mention Enterprise, those Borg already knew about the 24th Century Federation. But like in Q Who, where it's First Contact, would they bother?

 

[urbandefault]

Picard gave the speech first, then Q scared the beegees out of him. Kirk would have found a way to kick Q's butt, then give the pompous speech about going boldly and facing the unknown.

Picard did it wrong.

 

[FormerLurker]

In Q Who the Borg already knew about the Federation. They had that series of outposts from along the Romulan border they had scooped up, and all the data in the computers they found there. So it wasn't quite the First Contact that some would make it out to be.

 

[ConRefit79]

In Q Who the Borg already knew about the Federation. They had that series of outposts from along the Romulan border they had scooped up, and all the data in the computers they found there. So it wasn't quite the First Contact that some would make it out to be.

True. But you don't see them take a serious interest until BOBW, which is after Q WHO. Makes you wonder if they only took serious interest because the Enterprise miraculously escaped in Q Who.

 

[kirkfan]

In Q Who the Borg already knew about the Federation. They had that series of outposts from along the Romulan border they had scooped up, and all the data in the computers they found there. So it wasn't quite the First Contact that some would make it out to be.

True. But you don't see them take a serious interest until BOBW, which is after Q WHO. Makes you wonder if they only took serious interest because the Enterprise miraculously escaped in Q Who.

The Borg work in mysterious ways...

 

[enterprisecvn65]

No, I don't think that Kirk would've surrendered to the Borg (especially not TOS-era Kirk), but that's what makes horse races. Star Trek would be a lot more boring if every single Captain reacted in the exact same way.

I found it interesting in my rewatch of TWOK last week that it plays a very similar note to one that Meyer used in TUC: Kirk agreeing to surrender (or at least heading in that direction), and Uhura expressing shock at the prospect.

I really don't know if Kirk was ready to surrender to the Reliant, even though the message said it was to discuss terms of surrender. I just think he was so stunned by the whole turn of events that he at least wanted to know what the hell had just happened and who was behind it before he decided on his next course of action.

I have little doubt that if the prefix code plan had failed that the we would have seen the Enterprise self-destruct scene one movie earlier than TSFS. Only it would have had a full starfleet crew aboard, instead of a handful of Klingons, when the countdown hit zero.

If the prefix code plan had failed Kahn would have likely blown them out of the sky.

Well that's possible, but it wasn't a guarantee that Khan would have noticed if the Reliant rejected the drop shields command from the Enterprise, then Kirk could have passed it off as the computers were damaged worse than they thought.

Khan might have said......too bad and opened up. But keep in mind he wanted Genesis REALLY badly. He had been unsuccessful at Regula I, he apparently was unsuccessful at getting any information from the Reliant's data banks so the Kirk and the Enterprise was his best chance. So considering that he might have given them more time.

Regardless there's no way Kirk would have let Khan have Genesis and probably would have set the self-destruct mode to the one that causes the matter-anti matter to overload and causes a massive explosion, instead of the smaller one in TSFS, and taken Reliant with him.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

While we're on Q Who what I want to know is after Q transported the Enterprise to Borg space did Picard totally disregard Guinan, a person who you can argue he trusts and believes in her judgement more than any other person he knows, when she told him it would be a good idea to start heading back immediately.

She obviously knew what she was talking about, yet Picard totally brushes her off saying that he felt compelled to explore this area more.

 

[kirkfan]

While we're on Q Who what I want to know is after Q transported the Enterprise to Borg space did Picard totally disregard Guinan, a person who you can argue he trusts and believes in her judgement more than any other person he knows, when she told him it would be a good idea to start heading back immediately.

She obviously knew what she was talking about, yet Picard totally brushes her off saying that he felt compelled to explore this area more.

That's the same kind of lack of foresight that made Picard talk to Q like he was an impotent dirt-bag, only later to beg him on his knees to spare his crew when he thought that they were in danger and then to AGAIN talk to him like he was a dirt-bag once he discovered that Q wasn't the cause of their problems. IOW, Picard only talks to Q with respect, IE begs him, when he thinks that Q is a danger. Once it's been established that Q isn't a danger he talks to him like he was beneath contempt. That means picard has the diplomatic acumen of a hamster. Why does he need to provoke Q? Q is omnipotent if he wanted he could have Pircard and the rest of the crew working like servants. You'd have to be really stupid to provoke someone like that.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I think he would have. We've seen him plead for his crew at least three times on the big screen at three very different points in his life across two different timelines.

1) He pleads with Admiral Marcus to spare his crew and take him and Khan Star Trek Into Darkness

2) He pleads with Khan to take him and spare his crew Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

3) He willingly surrenders to General Chang to spare his crew Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

If it comes to it, Kirk has no problem swallowing his pride and begging (even in front of his crew) to save his ship and crew

 

[Ronald Held]

Ubless Spock could use sensor scans of the trip to the Borg, to figure out a way(with Scott) to alter the engines to return home, Kirk would have to ask Q for help.

 

[Hawku]

Movie Kirk's plead. I'd say 2260's Kirk goes down fighting and Q rolls his eyes impatiently and brings the whole ship and crew back.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Movie Kirk's plead. I'd say 2360's Kirk goes down fighting and Q rolls his eyes impatiently and brings the whole ship and crew back.

Technically still movie Kirk, 2259 Kirk plead with Admiral Marcus

Also, technically, in the 2360s Kirk is still in the Nexus

 

[Hawku]

lol Shoot, you caught me before I could edit.