Do you think it was smart that Worf joined DS9?

[JesterFace]

I don't know whether this is a TNG or DS9 thread so in "general" it goes...

There it is... What do you think?

I think it wasn't a good idea. Maybe because TNG is my favourite show and I don't like what Worf became in DS9 and the later seasons of DS9 are (a little) hard to watch because Worf is there. He belonged to TNG and should've stayed there. Sure, the character evolved and all that but... not necessarily in a good way.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I assumed it was done to draw TNG fans to DS9.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

In what ways was his growth not good? He learned how to form a relationship through his personal peculiarities (and without the audience going "icky"). He connected to his Klingon heritage without abandoning the values of the Federation. He became more effective at making command decisions that could be implemented, not shot down. He was more mature and effective at the end of DS9 than at the end of TNG.

 

[JesterFace]

I assumed it was done to draw TNG fans to DS9.

I believe that was the reason, don't know for certain though...

In what ways was his growth not good?

I don't remember everything, it has been a while since I watched DS9, but I do remember thinking that he became less Klingon, less powerfull. For example the thing where he had to live in the Defiant because the station was too "weird" for him, he felt "homesick". He whined a lot about different things, much more than in TNG, if he ever complained about anything at all...

Also, I liked the idea of Worf with Deanna, well, that went out the window... not that TNG could have developed the relationship much more because they got together towards the end of the show, but still. That was one of the things strongly featured in TNG's 'All Good Things...' so maybe that's why I don't like the idea of Worf with Jadzia... and then Ezri...

 

[seigezunt]

I liked it. It allowed his character to grow in ways that he didn't on TNG. It kinda made problems for the movies tho LOL

 

[DS9forever]

Worf was a bit of a wasted character on TNG, DS9 let him have more to do, although I'm glad he didn't take over the series like 7 did in Voyager.

 

[Six of Twelve]

I liked it. Because of the eclectic nature of the station, with many alien races aboard to interact with, and not all of them related to Federation business, it allowed him to be more Klingon, while still being part of the Federation. I think he added a lot to the show.

 

[urbandefault]

Not just smart, a stroke of genius.

 

[Relayer1]

Not just smart, a stroke of genius.

This.

DS9 was the best of the Trek shows, and would have been without Worf, but he certainly helped - he was probably the best thing about TNG...

 

[The Old Mixer]

I don't know whether this is a TNG or DS9 thread so in "general" it goes...

What the heck, cross-series character....

 

[C.E. Evans]

IIRC, the arrival of Worf didn't stop DS9's ratings slide, but it perhaps did make it less of a sharp decline it might have been without him. From a creative standpoint, Worf connected DS9 more than it previously did to TNG, but it truly was more of a boon for Worf's character and it enabled the drama within the Klingon Empire to reach its climax with the Gowron era.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I wasn't a big fan of how Worf was utilized in DS9. Especially early on he tended to play the 'impulsive emotional man-child' side. DS9 used the 'Take two opposing character quirks and throw them in a cage' trope so this made him look a lot more immature and childish than it did in TNG. His addition also forced them to force in a Klingon conflict that didn't really fit. They regressed a lot of the identity they developed for him in TNG as having both Klingon and Starfleet values and did a particularly bad job with his immediate family (Kurn, Alexander).

They got a little better at utilizing him toward the end when the Klingons were allies again because it allowed him to take his more natural role as the stabilizing voice on a Klingon ship, and they evoked his passions better with Jadzia than they did with Deanna.

 

[The Wormhole]

While DS9 could have continued just fine without Worf, his addition to the show did enhance the character without taking anything away from the show or its cast, so I'm cool with him joining.

I don't remember everything, it has been a while since I watched DS9, but I do remember thinking that he became less Klingon, less powerfull.

If anything Worf became more Klingon in DS9. That was when he actually started hanging out with Klingons and had a Klingon BFF.

 

[Terok Nor]

You could say Chief O'Brien belonged to TNG also. Personally I'm glad Worf joined. DS9 was constantly reinventing itself and he added to that. Worf grew more in 4 seasons of DS9 than he did in 7 seasons of TNG.

 

[jamestyler]

The development in DS9 compared to TNG is stunning.

In TNG Worf's entire role could be summed up with "I have a recommendation!" - "Nope Worf, thats too much, anyone else?" DS9's setting and more character based nature really allowed the character to develop and work with other people and situations he just couldn't have in TNG.

It was far more suited to him. The only major issue came when they squeezed him back into TNG movies. Outwith First Contact all that development and character work was lost and he went back to square one.

 

[JesterFace]

You could say Chief O'Brien belonged to TNG also.

He did and I think it was a loss for TNG for not having him in later seasons.

 

[Ghel]

I liked it. The only side-effect I didn't care for was it seemed as though once Michael Dorn joined the cast, Jadzia suddenly had a deep passion and knowledge of all things Klingon. Her character shift was a bit jarring.

 

[DS9forever]

I liked it. The only side-effect I didn't care for was it seemed as though once Michael Dorn joined the cast, Jadzia suddenly had a deep passion and knowledge of all things Klingon. Her character shift was a bit jarring.

What about Blood Oath? She was friends with three legendary Klingons before Worf arrived.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Yeah, but not totally unrealistic.

1) One of Dax's previous hosts knew much about them. Plus, she uses their collective knowledge and thus knows more than any one person might.

2) If you were smitten with someone, wouldn't you be interested in their background, even a little?

3) (real world) Not knowing from the beginning that he would join, the writers couldn't have laid a foundation for it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

What about Blood Oath? She was friends with three legendary Klingons before Worf arrived.

Doesn't she also teach a Klingon folk song to the Klingon restauranteur in some episode?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Doesn't she also teach a Klingon folk song to the Klingon restauranteur in some episode?

Before anyone says something about that being kind of weird, nobody knows everything about their culture. Klingon dude hasn't heard every song before just 'cause he's Klingon.