Do you support Arizona?
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BS, you don't have to pass a law banning such classes to not fund them next year. But if you are worried about money, start worrying about all the lost income your state now faces because of their other idiotic law.
No, I'm pretty sure the state doesn't decide on the classes offered at individual schools, which is up to local school boards, especially since most school funding is paid for by local property taxes. So if the state legislature is dead set against a particular type of class, like La Raza studies, it has to ban teaching the class.
Probably. That round of bank bailouts pretty clearly demonstrated that, when it comes to how government can affect finances, no one knows nuthin'! Everyone cried out that, if we didn't pass the bailout, enemployment might rise as high as 9%. Well, we did pass it, and unemployment still went above 10%. They don't know!
Where the heck were you living that you saw them this often? I've been living in Mesa since 2003, and was traveling to Mesa to visit family once a month before that for 15 years. I can count the number of these random DD checkpoints that I have seen on one hand and I drive 70,000 miles a year. The only reason I even notice them at all is the local news coverage.Sorry if I blurred the dates/ name regarding "Ev" or, as I like to remember him, "The man who took my raises away for 3 years". Time plays funny tricks as you age, slowing down and speeding up, perspective-wise. You forget unimportant people and exact dates of events. That said, I posted an example, nothing more. And in Az it will stand up and the judge may/may not throw that gavel.
As for drunk driver roadblocks-they stop everyone who comes by. Nobody gets through without at least a cursory once-over. In Az St. Patty's Day is reasonable suspicion. So is New Years Eve. So are Friday nights. That may not be how things are done in Laveen(yet) but in the city it happens all of the time. Don't you pay attention to the local news? They mention the number of arrests made at the DD roadblocks on it(the news). [And how many people operate a motor vehicle while running down the street with their pants around their ankles, anyway?] Those roadblocks have been contested in court as civil liberty violations and the cases have been struck down by the Az Supreme Court. So here the cops have a nice little funnel of people who ALL represent "probable cause" as established in Az courts. God help you if you take the wife to dinner on the weekend, have black hair/brown skin and drive down the wrong street. Especially if you leave your internal passport(sorry, I mean citizenship papers) at home by mistake.
Regarding Ev - my family still refers to him as "Me-CHUMP"
Agreed.
40+ years of observing human nature.
"fast and loose"-what's to stop it from happening that way with this law?
Where the heck were you living that you saw them this often? I've been living in Mesa since 2003, and was traveling to Mesa to visit family once a month before that for 15 years. I can count the number of these random DD checkpoints that I have seen on one hand and I drive 70,000 miles a year. The only reason I even notice them at all is the local news coverage.Sorry if I blurred the dates/ name regarding "Ev" or, as I like to remember him, "The man who took my raises away for 3 years". Time plays funny tricks as you age, slowing down and speeding up, perspective-wise. You forget unimportant people and exact dates of events. That said, I posted an example, nothing more. And in Az it will stand up and the judge may/may not throw that gavel.
As for drunk driver roadblocks-they stop everyone who comes by. Nobody gets through without at least a cursory once-over. In Az St. Patty's Day is reasonable suspicion. So is New Years Eve. So are Friday nights. That may not be how things are done in Laveen(yet) but in the city it happens all of the time. Don't you pay attention to the local news? They mention the number of arrests made at the DD roadblocks on it(the news). [And how many people operate a motor vehicle while running down the street with their pants around their ankles, anyway?
I didn't say I encountered them frequently-I simply pointed out that they existed and how they usually operated. I actually only passed through about3, myself. But you see them on the news very often indeed.Just because they have a checkpoint at Tatum and Bell doesn't mean I drove that way on the day in question...but others did. Under the new law, how many will suffer that "big inconvenience" or end up turned over to immigration? That was my point.
Pwned.
It wasn't histrionics when similar boycots lost Arizona hosting a Superbowl over their refusal to honor MLK. The millions already lost from cancelled conventions so far is proving me right.
MLB's 2011 All-Star Game is staying in Arizona.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-selig
We'll see what shakes out.
Furthermore, I believe your facts are a little muddled. Arizona did not "refuse to honor MLK". Arizona already had 10 official state paid holidays, and people wanted to add MLK day as the 11th. Arizona did not want to add an additional paid holiday. Easily offended blowhards and political opportunists trumped it up as a dishonor to MLK, when that was never the issue.
Ummm the Repubs SUPPORT this. We didn't "lose" the RNC anyway, as we didn't actually "have" the RNC.
Everyone seems to be missing the key point here. Now that LA is boycotting Arizona, does that mean the Lakers won't show up to play games 3 and 4 of the NBA Western Conference Finals in Phoenix?
Suns win by forfeit!!!
Suns win by forfeit!!!
Yes, I am ok with that.
I'm not a big baseball fan, but Phoenix is a beautiful city to catch a game in. I'm glad they didn't change it.
True. The state was in the red and the Governor at the time, Ev Meacham, didn't want to pay 10,000 state employees an extra day off. He'd already enacted a raise freeze and a hiring freeze and his argument was it would cost millions to pay for the extra holiday. It made sense $-wise but not from a PR standpoint.
Considering their past playoff record(s), I'll take it. Anything to get back to the Finals short of knocking Kobe into the scorer's table, starting a fight and getting Lakers suspended for coming to the aid of their star player. (Hmm, now why does that sound familiar?)
"Liberal" does not necessarily mean speedy or efficient, or even useful. Just a few decades ago, we had laws stating that only a certain number of Asians were allowed to immigrate here, and though that's changed, the pace of adaptation hasn't kept up. Having guidelines to accept a wide range of people is one thing, but having a system that effectively screens and/or accomodates that range is something else entirely.
Part of the problem is that proverbial band-aids are applied to existing laws -- provisions, addenda, exceptions, loopholes -- which help some but really prolong the process for the rest, or complicate matters that much more. For example, if a person files an application to immigrate to the US, but the gov't doesn't reply for 20 years, that leads to a whole host of individual consideration that no government is quite equipped for: in that span of 20 years, immigration laws can change; personal status can change (simply getting married and starting a family is enough to put you in another category, and you can't reasonably expect someone to maintain the single life for 20 years in order to immigrate).
In effect, these band-aids simply increase the bureaucracy, while people wait and wait -- and sometimes die -- before they achieve their dream of joining what's supposed to be the most culturally inclusive, ideal country in the world. If something, anything, gets pushed back year after year, decade after decade, the problems build up.
Hence the need to mention the elephant in the room: immigration reform. It's pretty telling that while roughly 60% majority of Arizonians support the current law (feel free to correct me on that figure), 77% support comprehensive immigration reform, which would reduce the need for such drastic measures as SB1070, but it would take much more effort and more time to implement than SB1070.
Which is exactly the same thing as losing money.
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