Poll Do You Still Stand With...?

[urbandefault]

Not to mention the (probably much much) more than $1M collected from fans on the promise of a movie that will likely never be made--from a guy who has a history of big talk and seemingly little delivery.

People are free to throw their money down a hole if they want, but I don't have to be happy about it.

 

[Franklin]

And Star Trek, lest we forget, is just a bit of popular entertainment.l

Really! That's just mean and uncalled for!

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I came into this in passing with an interest in the legal issue of copyright law. I've stayed interested out of utter amazement at how things have unfolded so far. It's simply fascinating. I've heard not one sound argument for why anyone should stand for Axanar. Indeed, they keep creating reasons not to.

 

[Amaris]

I agreed with CBS, that it was their property, but I felt bad for Axanar.
It took little time for the people at Axanar to push me far further into CBS' camp.

As of now, if the people at the top never got another job in Hollywood again, and instead had to eke out a living washing dishes in a shitty diner while desperately trying to sell their latest fan scripts, it wouldn't bother me one iota.

 

[JD]

Still have no dog in this fight, for the very simple reason;

I don't give a f***. I see people debating this as if the future of Star Trek depends on it. Guys, it's a friggin fanfilm, which will probably never see the light of day now. And of it did, the percentage of Trek fans actually watching it will a lot lower then some people actually think. The only people who think that fanfilms actually have any kind of influence on Star Trek's future, are those making it.

Now, I'm not trying to bash the efforts of some of the creators of fanfilms. There's some high quality stuff out there, and the people behind it are clearly very passionate about what they're making. But in the end, they're really just fanfilms.

I don't think anyone things this will have an effect the franchise overall, but it could have a huge effect on the future of fan creations. Fan films and fan fiction are a big part of Trek fandom and I would hate to see one guy who got to carried away ruin it for everyone else. There's also a very, very small chance this could even have an effect on overall copy right law.

I suppose I'm with the Axanar camp--I would generally be hands off when it comes to fan production--let people see what they want to.

I'd love for trek to be in the public domain at some point. I don't think it--or me--will see out 75th.

Just out of curiosity, how much have you read about Alec Peters and the whole Axanar production?

 

[Noname Given]

I don't think anyone things this will have an effect the franchise overall, but it could have a huge effect on the future of fan creations. Fan films and fan fiction are a big part of Trek fandom and I would hate to see one guy who got to carried away ruin it for everyone else. There's also a very, very small chance this could even have an effect on overall copy right law.

1) It will have zero effect on Fan Films by itself. (What WILL have an effect is if Paramount/CBS decide to start issuing C&Ds or suing other fan film groups, but that hasn't happened - and one fan film group has rel;eased another episode to Youtube with zero reaction from Paramount/CBS and another is poised to release a film on 2/28/16.)

2) Axanar's lawyers can bluster all they want, but I can tell you this case will have ZERO effect on standing copyright law - and Axanar will find out just how high the monetary damages can be. (And BTW IF some sort of settlement is reached, and the case never sees the inside of a courtroom; definitely zero effect of copyright law.)

 

[RedForman]

I don't personally have a dog in the fight. The amount of over-the-top vitriol from the Axanar camp would push me toward CBS, but I want to wait and see whether CBS comes down on just Axanar or whether a precedent is set and fan films/fiction/sites etc start to disappear*

*(should that be the case, I might have to stick my foot somewhere it doesn't belong )

 

[BeatleJWOL]

I'd awkwardly stand in the same room with the idea of Axanar. I would have watched that movie.

The execution, though? Not so much. Ol' whatshisname deserves everything he has coming to him.

 

[Captain Crow]

A shyster using an IP that doesn't belong to him to bilk fans or the actual IP owners. That's a toughie.

 

[Philip Guyott]

#QuarkStandsWithAxanar

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I actually voted to say that I have no dog in this fight. However, this may change if and when it starts to affect other fan productions.

 

[Amaris]

#QuarkStandsWithAxanar

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I actually voted to say that I have no dog in this fight. However, this may change if and when it starts to effect other fan productions.

So far, it seems that CBS has been pretty cool with everyone else. Then again, no one else was trying to make millions of dollars, whoring out merchandise like it was illegal, which it was, telling people they're an independent professional production, and then going toe to toe with CBS, the legal rights holder to the IP the production profited from.

Of course, we all know it's because CBS is jealous of the production quality. I mean those 3 green screened minutes are the best Star Trek ever produced, even better than TEH JJ ABRAMSES!

 

[BillJ]

Of course, we all know it's because CBS is jealous of the production quality. I mean those 3 green screened minutes are the best Star Trek ever produced, even better than TEH JJ ABRAMSES!

I have to applaud Peters one this one. He turned fan hate into an almost unlimited ATM.

 

[Amaris]

I have to applaud Peters one this one. He turned fan hate into an almost unlimited ATM.

Well, it's the first rule of gaining influence, which is to find a common enemy. From there, you can build capital and other resources. If you just say "I want to make a love letter to Star Trek," you'd get some money and attention, but not a lot, not if you were untested. If, instead, you were to say "Modern Trek has turned on Gene's vision! We'll show you what real Star Trek is and stick it in CBS' eye! They'll realize they were wrong and give us the Star Trek all of us True Trek Fans™ want!"

Voila. Cash and courage from the disaffected.

 

[Unicron]

#IStandWithLegs

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say Axanar has proven to be entertaining in ways I'm sure Peters didn't intend.

 

[Karzak]

The only correct answer here is to Stand with CBS & Paramount. These Axanar people are completely deluding themselves if they think for even one moment that they have a chance against the rightful and legal copyright owners of the Star Trek brand and intellectual property.

 

[BigJake]

There would never have been any point in standing with anyone but the rights holders, as I said on the last poll thread (and as AP was more than willing to acknowledge when it wasn't his ox being gored). The only thing that's changed in the interim is Peters having even more completely demolished any reason for others to sympathize with him or give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Dac]

I backed their film, and they pushed it back.

They posted entire blogs, and they pushed it back.

Not again - the line must be drawn HEYAH. THIS FAR, NO FURTHER.

AND I (CBS) WILL MAKE THEM PAY, FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

 

[Zonker]

I wanted to see Axanar, it looked really cool to me, but I've never been a fan of Alec Peters. Even before the lawsuit he seemed really rude and belligerent to people who were skeptical of Axanar.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I was rather indifferent to the concept of the film when it was first announced (I don't think I've even seen the full trailer to this day), and since I was only a casual observer, I couldn't understand why Axanar was getting sued and the other fan films weren't.

Then I did a little research and I understood.

CBS is clearly in the right here, and Axanar crossed the line several times over.

 

[Mytran]

Although I caught Prelude around the time of it's release (which showed great promise), I'd all but forgotten about it until January 2016 when the legal news broke - a great deal of time had passed since Prelude, after all!

Over the course of several weeks I listened to all 36 podcasts from trek.fm and you can actually track the changes in AP's attitude from 4th July 2014 from the budding film maker (who hoped to have his fan film done in early 2015) to the wannabe studio mogul, beloved by all of fandom as the world leader in producing "real" Star Trek.
Of course, it probably didn't help when presenter Christopher Jones bowed out around episode 9 and Robert Burnett stepped in - from that point on, many podcasts were just the two of them blustering around, stroking each other's egos and repeating the same old epithets on people they'd attracted to the project: "the Oscar winning X" or "the incredibly talented Y" or "academy award winning Z". Maybe this stuff is just part and parcel of the Hollywood vocabulary (you certainly get it in DVD extras often enough) but it sure gets grating when you hear it plastered on thicker and thicker by AP each week.
The podcast where the writing team sit around and talk for 80 minutes about how great they are and how bad all of the rest of modern Star Trek (both official and fan-made) is an experience like no other(!)

I think the tipping point was probably when they scored it big with their second Kickstarter campaign, giving them undreamed-of piles of cash and spinning the project into a "purely professional fully independent production" and inflating their egos to new levels. However, I haven't bothered to go back and read all of the Axanar website blurb, so it could well have started earlier than that.

AP's ego is truly at the heart of his own troubles and I'm genuinely interested to see what (if anything) Axanar tries next to legally justify their position on this. The beauty of the lawsuit is that it focuses solely on copyright infringement (which all fan films do) and so all of AP's other activities which he might try and use to mitigate his circumstances will likely be deemed irrelevant to the case.

It is like watching a horrific car crash? Possibly. But it is fascinating.

 

[BillJ]

AP's ego is truly at the heart of his own troubles and I'm genuinely interested to see what (if anything) Axanar tries next to legally justify their position on this. The beauty of the lawsuit is that it focuses solely on copyright infringement (which all fan films do) and so all of AP's other activities which he might try and use to mitigate his circumstances will likely be deemed irrelevant to the case.

Not necessarily. There is mention of monetary gain in the complaint. I'm sure those items will be brought up during the trial.