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Do you still follow the religion you were raised with?

Do you still follow the religion you were raised with?


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wow you wrote my post for me! Thanks! :techman:

I was raised in a Baptist church, my parents and grandparents being Baptist. I loved going to church (still do) but when I was old enough to think for myself I realized that all the legalism and separatist teachings were really moronic. That particular church's view of missions was 'Come be like us!' instead of 'Come to know Jesus Christ!'
They said the latter and meant the former . . . and it was all about numbers . . . '5 more people got saved this week! Good job on making your quota!' (an exaggeration but it felt like that at times)
John 17 mentions being in the world but not of it, which they somehow took to apply their strict conservative views and say that dancing is bad, secular music is bad, only see G and PG movies . . .
not to mention the divide that nearly split the church apart . . . I'm talking about Calvinism vs Armenianism

so anyway . . . I stopped going there when I was 19 or so, and didn't go to any church for about 2 years, and tried to go back to that same church but I just didn't feel welcome there

the church I'm at now is like a family.

I like how Brent said it:
The church I go to now isn't part of a particular denomination. The heart of my belief is faith in Jesus Christ, and for that you don't need any church at all.

so I voted 'Yes.' Even though I went from being a Baptist Christian to just being a follower of Jesus, so I suppose it still counts since I'm still technically 'Christian'
but yeah, labels are dumb

Glad to hear. And just to clarify, I am not "anti-denomination", its just that, like your story, some churches are only focused on quotas and the like. I think churches like this are missing the point. I once did attend a Baptist church when I lived in Texas, and someone there told me he thinks of himself like this: "I am a follower of Jesus Christ who just happens to attend a Baptist church." That's how I view myself too, the core believe is my faith in Christ, after that I just find the church that teaches that doctrine, and fellowship. I may not always agree with everything about that particular denomination though, so its hard for me at least to say I am a strict anything.

But that also doesn't mean there aren't good denominational churches out there. My grandmother has been part of a Baptist church all her life, and she is 78 now, yes, all her life. It is a good church, reaches out to the community, very active in helping, and preaching the right message.

Here is the mission statement of the church I go to:

We are called by the Grace of God, for the Glory of God, to become and multiply fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ.

I think that is what it is all about.

Here is our Doctrine if anyone is interested in what we believe.
 
It's an interesting question, Daneel, and I'll make a (possibly feeble) attempt at coming up with an answer. I'lll do so, obviously, from my religion, which is Catholicism (which, unlike the claims of some, is indeed very Christian :p).

do you (or any of the other Christians here) think that it just won't matter, that Jesus will let non-believers into heaven even if they didn't worship him/follow his teachings?

One's belief, worship, teaching and all that stuff do matter, but only in the context of the life one has lead. It's all very nice to be all holy on Sundays, but if you're an utter bastard during the rest of the week, you may have a problem.

I think it's important to get clear what heaven is. I don't believe it's the cloudy place with angels and harps and so. I think it describes a state of being with God. The opposite, being without God, could then be described as hell. I'm no theologian, so this is a very simplified depiction. It's also rather hard to describe, since we only (well, "only"...;)) have the promises God made to us to go by. Few people have come back from heaven and given us a map ;).

Anyway, to come back to non-believers or people of another faith: there are certainly ways that they can reach heaven, through the life they lead, for example. It would be very difficult to imagine someone like Mahatma Gandhi not being in heaven, I think. But I'm not sure if that goes in general. That does not mean that all those people are burning in hell for all eternity. That's incompatible with the concept of a merciful God. But being with God, understanding Him (as far as we can), developing a relationship with Him is not something that magically happens. We have to work on it, learn, grow in faith (and that's a job that's never done). Someone without a religion or faith has clearly not developed that relationship. How could they? A relationship assumes a basic understanding and trust to begin with. Plonking them down in heaven, in the eternal presence of God... would that be smart? I imagine the spiritual equivalent of brain overload... That's where the Catholic concept of Purgatory (as in 'purging') comes from, by the way.

By the same token, out of all the kazillions of religions/faiths in the world, what makes you so certain that yours is the "right" one? Many religions are incompatible with others, and as such they can't all be right, so what makes yours more valid than the next?

I don't know that for certain. That might be problematic or worrying at times, sure. However, I do have the promise that God gave all humanity, the convenant he made with us on the cross. That, coupled with my personal relationship with Him, does give a certain amount of certainty. In the end, though, it all comes down to trust. That's what belief means. It's not the factual belief in the existence of something or someone. It's the belief that that someone is worthy of our trust and worship. We don't 'believe that', but 'believe in'. There's a difference there.

In the end, I'm not trying to convince anyone of the truth, or lack thereof, in my answer. I think Babaganoosh's signature is very true, in that conversion does not happen because people are being talked to incessantly. Anyway, that's not my goal. Just trying to offer a bit of an answer to the question. It would be cool to hear some more answers from other Christians, too.
 
I was raised Catholic (Well until I was 5 and complained so much my Parents gave up), and now I'm agnostic. Although the religion test tells me I should follow Unitarian Universalism or Theravada Buddhism.
 
Well, Mark de Vries asked other Christians to chime in, so I'll give it a try:

Daneel said:
Where does your belief leave non-Christians? Obviously, not everyone believes in Jesus as you do, so do you (or any of the other Christians here) think that it just won't matter, that Jesus will let non-believers into heaven even if they didn't worship him/follow his teachings? I have a feeling you probably do, but not everyone shares that sentiment, which I find a little... disturbing.

I have no idea. Yeah. I don't want that to sound like a cop-out, though I suspect it does, but here are a couple of things to think about:
1. As Mark put it, heaven is "a state of being with God." Therefore, anything that brings you closer to God brings you closer to heaven. And that means that the definition of what brings you closer to or drives you away from God is going to vary from person to person.
2. The only soul I have knowledge of is my own. So how can I know if only Christians will be saved? There could be people out there obeying God without even realizing - thinking they are obeying their conscience or Thor, god of thunder, or something. (If you've ever read The Last Battle, which is the final book in the Narnia series, you'll see C.S. Lewis examine this possibility as well.) And of course in contrast, there could be people doing things in the name of religion that pull them away from God. So I try not to make such judgments - I am in fact commanded not to judge lest I be judged. So I try not to. I may not always succeed, but I try.
3. That said, I am not, so far, a universalist - that is, someone who believes everyone will be saved. I'm not saying they won't be - because remember, I'm the one who doesn't know ;) - but I am saying is that everyone, at some time or other, has to make a choice. When that final choice must come, I don't know (again) - the Bible says Jesus preaches even to the damned, so maybe there's a chance even after death. But anyway, sometime or other you have to make a choice. You can choose God or you can choose death or oblivion or self or whatever the heck hell turns out to be. And if there's choice, well, that means some people could choose the darkness.

So I think that answers your question about "the right" religion. All I can say is what is right for me.
 
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Was raised Jewish (Reform/Conservative), but I've became an Apathiest in the last two years. Not to say that I'm not open to religion, but it just doesn't seem very relevant to myself right now. I that when I settle down, I might revaluate my decision, but there is too much going on right now for me to dedicate any time on the possible meta-physical realm.
 
Thanks for the responses, Mark de Vries and JustKate. Very thought-provoking stuff. :)

Part of the reason I ask is because these are some of the things I was struggling with years ago when I was still technically Catholic. When I started having doubts about/issues with my faith, I couldn't help but wonder, "Who am I to presume that I know better than people of different beliefs?" "Who am I to think that following all this stuff they tell me to will get me into Heaven?" Not to mention the fact that what we were taught about Christ in school and mass kind of implicitly stated that those who didn't follow the Church would not be able to enter God's kingdom (at least that's how I interpreted the teachings). It turned me off of Catholicism in a big way.

The ideas expressed here about people finding God in their own way are certainly fair, considerate, and open-minded though. :techman:

Me, I'm still content to remain an agnostic. I have no idea if there's a "God" or not, and honestly, I don't think it really matters much to me in my personal life. I simply try to live as a decent and respectful man in any case, because it seems the right thing to do. So, to each his or her own.

I guess I'll just have to hope that if there is a God, it won't take offense to the fact that I never really worshipped or believed in it... but I wouldn't want to meet a God that's that insecure and petty anyway. ;)
 
Daneel said:
Part of the reason I ask is because these are some of the things I was struggling with years ago when I was still technically Catholic. When I started having doubts about/issues with my faith, I couldn't help but wonder, "Who am I to presume that I know better than people of different beliefs?" "Who am I to think that following all this stuff they tell me to will get me into Heaven?" Not to mention the fact that what we were taught about Christ in school and mass kind of implicitly stated that those who didn't follow the Church would not be able to enter God's kingdom (at least that's how I interpreted the teachings). It turned me off of Catholicism in a big way.

Well, Daneel, I don't want to lie to you - lots of Christians, including many nice, kind and loving people, do believe that only through Christianity can a person be saved. Contrary to the common perception among non-Christians, only a distinct minority are so narrow-minded as to think "It must be my particular brand of Christianity," but yes, many Christians do think you have to be Christian to be saved. Not as many as you might think, however: I recently read an article in a mainstream Christian journal - kind of middle-of-the-road but leaning conservative - in which the author decried the fact that so many regular practicing Christians aren't sure that you have to be Christian to be saved.

I believe that it is through Christ that humanity is redeemed, and I'm sure the author agrees. Where I think he might possibly be making a mistake - but remember, I'm the one who doesn't know - or at least where he and I differ is when he automatically assumes that Christianity=Christ. Well, that's the question, isn't it? Is Christ present only in Christianity? Can you believe in Christ (perhaps under another name) and not believe in Christianity? And that is what I just don't know.

I guess I'll just have to hope that if there is a God, it won't take offense to the fact that I never really worshipped or believed in it... but I wouldn't want to meet a God that's that insecure and petty anyway. ;)

I'm not sure I can give you a lot of theological comfort on that. ;) God...makes demands. He has expectations - pretty high ones, too. Make no mistake about that. Whether those demands fit into your definition of "worship" compared to "being a decent and respectful man," I don't know. And it is, frankly, none of my business.
 
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I was raised Catholic and live my life as a lapsed Catholic. You celebrate all the holidays, presents, feasts and all but I don't go to Church except for weddings, funerals, and baptisms.
 
We went to a Congregational church, which didn't appear to adhere to any particular agenda, more of a "la-la, we're at church" type of thing, and while that's probably oversimplifying the matter a bit, that's about all I remember (1) when I bothered to go, which my folks gave me the choice when I became a sullen teenager and they'd rather not want me around in public to taint their image in our small town, and (2) when I bothered to stay awake through the sermons when I did go.

As a grown young adult, once I moved out-of-state and away from my parents, Sundays were the big sleep-it-off day from the excesses of the weekend. But when I met my wife, she was raised Mormon, but not really big practicing Mormon. More of a go to church on holidays and every great once in a while Mormon. And she had fallen away from it quite some time earlier, and no longer went even every great once in a while. Her family understood and was fine with that; though not particularly active, there was the strong Mormon focus on the family as the building block of society, and they were always tight. So when we got married, we chose a church near her folks house (there was no way we could have gotten married in a temple ceremony), and it was your standard Christian wedding ceremony. We made an attempt to continue to go to that church, but I frequently had to work Sundays, so we fell away from that as well.

We started having children right away, and when our second daughter was 13 months old, she was diagnosed with neuroblastoma, a childhood cancer. It turned out to be pretty severe, and she had to go in for emergency surgery to remove a large tumor. I had never given the Mormon church serious thought beyond a fleeting wish to just check it out, but her grandparents, who were more heavily involved with the church, brought in their bishop and assorted people and gave our daughter a pre-surgery blessing.

I felt at peace. I don't really know any other way to put it. As if whatever happened after that would be fine, whether it was because He was going to take her (though I fervently wished that if He was, please don't put her through a lot of pain and misery first) or whether she would pull through. And while the surgery continued and my wife and I paced the floor, I began to feel that not only would she pull through, but she would conquer every obstacle set before her. The odds were against her pretty significantly due to the severity and placement of the tumor. And sure enough, after a brief stay in the hospital and arrangements for chemotherapy, she kicked the cancer's ass, being declared cancer-free a week before her second birthday. Today, at age 18, she graduates from high school in two weeks, and her long-term assessment for cancer is about the same as yours and mine. I can't ascribe how I felt positively about her chances for overcoming all of this to any logical and rational thought, for the medical odds were not in her favor, but somehow I had faith that it would all work out just fine for her. And it has. I started asking for and receiving visits from church members, and at some point before she came out of chemotherapy, I was baptized a Mormon.

We started attending the Mormon church every Sunday (by then, I worked at a bank so had weekends off) and became involved with our ward. It felt great to be part of something larger than myself, larger than my immediate family. But it didn't last.

In the Mormon church, you are given callings. There are many jobs to do in the organization, of varying importance and power, and frequently not enough people to do them all, so it's not uncommon to hold two or three callings. One of my callings, as given to me after "much prayerful thought" by my bishop, was as secretary-treasurer of our ward-sponsored Boy Scout troop. I was fine with that; working for a bank, I made arrangements with the outgoing sec-treas for him to close the account at the existing bank and draft a check for those funds that I would deposit at the bank where I worked, that I could easily monitor the account and do what needed to be done, killing two birds with one stone. As it turned out, the amount he gave me was about two thousand dollars less than the amount that was supposed to be in there, and his records showed the account had about seven hundred dollars when in reality it was supposed to be about three grand. Not having a child in Scouts and not knowing the amount was different, I continued on in that calling for a few months, then one day received a call from a parent, inquiring if there was enough in the account to do a particular field trip. He was angry to find out about the loss, and that's when I discovered there was supposed to be a helluva lot more in the account than there was. I called the bishop and met with him and his counselors, turned over all of my records (including the check stub from the previous bank), and we brought in the angry parent. Soon it was revealed that the previous secretary-treasurer skimmed off over two thousand dollars right before the turnover, ostensibly to help his sister through a divorce with legal fees. But this guy was well-liked throughout the ward, and had been there much longer than I was, and was more well-to-do than my poor self eking out a modest living as a customer service rep at the bank. So word was spread around the ward that I was the one skimming off the till, even though the bishop, et al had all of the evidence to exonerate me of any suspicions. They assured me that once they had gotten to the bottom of this, they would clear my good name in a church service, and while I had felt taken advantage of by my predecessor, I had faith that the good men administering our ward would keep their word in full.

Imagine my chagrin when they did not.

A mention was made a month later during a church service that "a shortage of funding in the Boy Scout account had been dealt with", which meant the church wrote a check for the difference and restored the account to its proper balance. No mention made of who was responsible, or more directly, who was NOT responsible for the shortage. Because the previous sec-treas was one of the boys and I was a newcomer, I was expendable as was, by extension, my young family. I was told to not bring it up again, so as not to undermine faith of the ward members that the higher-ups knew what they were doing with the money. I was told that they were "disciplining" the previous sec-treas. I was told that as easily as word spread that they thought I had done it, word would as easily spread that I was innocent. I was told to turn over my calling as secretary-treasurer to another person, and I would receive a new calling "soon", which only exacerbated my presumed guilt when relieved of the Boy Scout calling. I was told to trust the bishop and his counselors, because they had prayed and pondered on how best to resolve this situation to everyone's mutual satisfaction. I was told to have faith.

Well, a short time thereafter, after a lengthy process begun well before I took that calling, I took another job that paid significantly better than the bank did, but required my family and I to relocate elsewhere in the state. And while we tried to continue to attend church, it just wasn't the same after that incident, and we gradually quit going. I am on-call 24/7 and am frequently working on weekends, which also made it difficult to adhere to a church schedule, as well as accept a calling. And so it looked like we just took off out of town, and no longer attend, because I "got caught".

We have since moved back to town several years ago, but live in a different ward; my old home teaching companion from our old ward told me a few years back that there was never any public accounting of what happened, that yes, we indeed were perceived to have left under a cloud, and that there are still ward members who believed I was responsible for the theft. And the previous secretary-treasurer was a bishop's counselor, last I heard.

So I no longer attend the Mormon church. But I have faith. I have faith in my family. I have an unshakable faith in the Lord...but I have no faith whatsoever in "His" servants here. It has been said that we are imperfect saints, that we will not be perfect until we pass over into His presence. But I thought we were supposed to try our best, to challenge ourselves. That we were supposed to treat each other, not just in the Church but outside it, with respect and dignity, with fairness and responsibility to the truth. I am far from perfect; I have a potty mouth, a somewhat bizarre and sick sense of humor, have a few beers every great once in a while and am frequently irreverent at the worst of times. I have no faith that the truth will ever come out in our old ward. But I have absolute faith that the truth will be revealed in His realm, and that there will be a reckoning with those who pollute and distort the truth, with those who attempt to deceive others with lies disguised as fact. I try not to be self-righteous about that belief, and wonder it to be a character flaw in myself, but I have to admit it sustains me every time I hear about similar (and worse) abuses within my church, as well with the general hypocrisy we are seeing in many churches these days.

If there is a lesson that I'm trying to impart while blathering on ad nauseum, which I'm sorry to do but I've never been good at keeping a story short, is that you should have faith in Heavenly Father, however you perceive him to be, no matter your faith or denomination...but you should probably reserve that faith just for Him, and not give it to people who claim to do His will. "I am the way", said Jesus Christ. And he was right. Not through anyone on Earth who claims to have revelations through Him, not through anyone who attempts to speak for Him, and certainly not through anyone whose interests are self-serving or merely further the bureaucracy of any church, Mormon or otherwise, that their church is more "true" than any other church, which I see as the height of hypocrisy and self-delusion. I don't ask my bishop to pray on my behalf, and while I am grateful for the prayers offered many years ago on behalf of my infant daughter, I now pray to the Lord myself, whether on bended knee in a quiet and private place, or in my car on the way to or from work. He doesn't care where and when you do, just that you do.

And while sometimes the answer doesn't always take the form of what I thought it would, the answer always is.
 
Daneel said:
Where does your belief leave non-Christians? Obviously, not everyone believes in Jesus as you do, so do you (or any of the other Christians here) think that it just won't matter, that Jesus will let non-believers into heaven even if they didn't worship him/follow his teachings? I have a feeling you probably do, but not everyone shares that sentiment, which I find a little... disturbing.

That's up to Jesus and his Dad. I can't say and I refuse to speculate.
 
SicOne said:
If there is a lesson that I'm trying to impart while blathering on ad nauseum, which I'm sorry to do but I've never been good at keeping a story short, is that you should have faith in Heavenly Father, however you perceive him to be, no matter your faith or denomination...but you should probably reserve that faith just for Him, and not give it to people who claim to do His will. "I am the way", said Jesus Christ. And he was right.

I am really sorry you had to go through all that, Sic. Darn old fallible humans...

A faith family is a wonderful thing when it works the ways it's supposed to, but when it doesn't...Well, it's no better than a disfunctional family, and we all know how messed up they can be. I'm glad you've found peace.
 
I first drifted, then walked, and finally ran like hell away from my childhood faith. I haven't looked back and consider myself agnostic with increasingly atheistic musings.
 
SicOne said:
If there is a lesson that I'm trying to impart while blathering on ad nauseum, which I'm sorry to do but I've never been good at keeping a story short, is that you should have faith in Heavenly Father, however you perceive him to be, no matter your faith or denomination...but you should probably reserve that faith just for Him, and not give it to people who claim to do His will. "I am the way", said Jesus Christ. And he was right.

I am really sorry you had to go through all that, Sic. Darn old fallible humans...

A faith family is a wonderful thing when it works the ways it's supposed to, but when it doesn't...Well, it's no better than a disfunctional family, and we all know how messed up they can be. I'm glad you've found
peace.


Thanks, JustKate. A beneficial but unexpected side-effect to all of this was a strengthening of my own personal faith, so it wasn't all bad. Miss the comraderie of the Mormon church once in awhile, but still not sure if I want to open that door.

Gotta lot of redeemin' to do for bad limericks, though...
 
Mormonism kinda lost it's appeal when they had to stop letting the guys have more than one wife at a time... :rolleyes:
 
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away from the internet for a bit.

When I started having doubts about/issues with my faith, I couldn't help but wonder, "Who am I to presume that I know better than people of different beliefs?" "Who am I to think that following all this stuff they tell me to will get me into Heaven?"

Now here's something interesting. When I was first getting to know Catholicism (or, actually, Christianity in general) I asked myself similar questions. However, mine where more like "Who am I to assume that just because I don't understand it or agree with it, it is incorrect?" I reminded myself that a lot of teachings have a pedigree that goes back thousands of years, and many great minds (certainly much greater than my own) have pondered them. If Saint Augstine or Saint Thomas Aquinas could consider such questions and not lose faith, why must it be a reason for me to abandon faith?

Maybe it sounds like a cop-out. "Oh, other people have done my thinking for me." But that's not it. Rather, it's an enormous comfort to me to realise that any teaching the Church hands down is very unlikely to be a random whim of some backroom theologian, but rather a well-considered philosophical statement inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
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