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Do you feel the dialogue is, at times, unfitting of military/science personnel?
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We have professional writers on the board, they don't take it to the same level of "seriousness" you do. Sorry but the "Professor" approach just doesn't work for you.
You say "considerate" but it comes off as condescending. And that's very off putting.
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Funny thing. Often in life I've found that some people have a way of feeling condescended just from hearing someone present their opinion confidently. As someone with self-confidence issues, and depression, I've had to carefully learn to feel comfortable speaking my mind, even when people treat a mild presentation of a viewpoint as an attack on their character.
Anyone can read the thread and see that I've treated everyone respectfully, but firmly.
I've quit this forum before, and I've set up this account so that I can easily quit again by forgetting the password - I think I'll exercise that option now, as this kind of environment just isn't worth it. Look after your health people - forums and social media are a waste of time. Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
Anyone can read the thread and see that I've treated everyone respectfully, but firmly.
I've quit this forum before, and I've set up this account so that I can easily quit again by forgetting the password - I think I'll exercise that option now, as this kind of environment just isn't worth it. Look after your health people - forums and social media are a waste of time. Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
Funny thing. Often in life I've found that some people have a way of feeling condescended just from hearing someone present their opinion confidently. As someone with self-confidence issues, and depression, I've had to carefully learn to feel comfortable speaking my mind, even when people treat a mild presentation of a viewpoint as an attack on their character.
Anyone can read the thread and see that I've treated everyone respectfully, but firmly.
I've quit this forum before, and I've set up this account so that I can easily quit again by forgetting the password - I think I'll exercise that option now, as this kind of environment just isn't worth it. Look after your health people - forums and social media are a waste of time. Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
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Respectfully I disagree. In many respects she is. In both cases, Jar Jar and Tilly fill the role of new character meant to appeal to a new audience. In Star Wars that new audience was younger and was thought to require a relatable character. In STD that character is Tilly. In both cases these new characters are the love them or hate them type. Of course you can guess that I am not a Tilly fan, but I understand there are those that love her. However it’s hard to deny the reality that she’s a polarizing figure in the Trek community and very much the Jar Jar of her time.
I definitely don't disagree that the dialog on Discovery tends towards being stilted and melodramatic. I, for one, completely understood what the other thread was talking about, especially thinking about most scenes where Michael is having an emotional confrontation with another character, but all the characters have an unfortunately tendency to relate their feelings in lofty, faux-poetic terms.
And the "It's hard to explain" line about Voq and L'Rell's son is a good example. It took five seconds for it be explained to Pike in the first place. There's a version of this story, I'm sure, where what happened to him on Boreth was a lot more trippy and surreal than just being told "Time is weird here" and seeing a tree fast-forward, and it actually would be difficult to explain how a baby was an old man, but the show handled the actual element in such a perfunctory and straightforward way, treating it like it was an indescribable experience rings false. It feels like a side effect of the way this season burns through plot like its going out of style. Most every episode could easily be multiple episodes, developing and playing out ideas with characters and plot, but instead we get things happening in shorthand and outline. I'm still trying to decide what the right metaphor is. A few days ago I described Discovery's plotting as "plate-spinning and chainsaw-juggling," but it's also occurred to me that the Spore Drive could be a metaphor for how the series is operating, jumping straight from one plot move to the next without any of the journey in between.
Which probably doesn't help the dialog, since they're carrying stuff in exposition that should be demonstrated to us through action and interaction. We could have a whole episode where Pike has to figure how to navigate the twisting time-stream of Boreth, with lots of trippy time stuff and things that only become clear on the rewatch, or we could have him act like "things go fast there sometimes" is a confusing concept, expositing that the experience was profound and surreal, even if what we actually saw didn't measure up.
And the "It's hard to explain" line about Voq and L'Rell's son is a good example. It took five seconds for it be explained to Pike in the first place. There's a version of this story, I'm sure, where what happened to him on Boreth was a lot more trippy and surreal than just being told "Time is weird here" and seeing a tree fast-forward, and it actually would be difficult to explain how a baby was an old man, but the show handled the actual element in such a perfunctory and straightforward way, treating it like it was an indescribable experience rings false. It feels like a side effect of the way this season burns through plot like its going out of style. Most every episode could easily be multiple episodes, developing and playing out ideas with characters and plot, but instead we get things happening in shorthand and outline. I'm still trying to decide what the right metaphor is. A few days ago I described Discovery's plotting as "plate-spinning and chainsaw-juggling," but it's also occurred to me that the Spore Drive could be a metaphor for how the series is operating, jumping straight from one plot move to the next without any of the journey in between.
Which probably doesn't help the dialog, since they're carrying stuff in exposition that should be demonstrated to us through action and interaction. We could have a whole episode where Pike has to figure how to navigate the twisting time-stream of Boreth, with lots of trippy time stuff and things that only become clear on the rewatch, or we could have him act like "things go fast there sometimes" is a confusing concept, expositing that the experience was profound and surreal, even if what we actually saw didn't measure up.
I believe that the reason Pike didn't want to go into a detailed explanation about L'Rell & Tyler/Voq's son at that particular moment, was because he was trying to absorb his own future revelations and was still deeply disturbed by what he had seen.
The pained and far-off look on his face alone, was enough for me to realize this.
I'm sure, though it wasn't shown, he eventually told them what was going on down there.
The pained and far-off look on his face alone, was enough for me to realize this.
I'm sure, though it wasn't shown, he eventually told them what was going on down there.
Funny thing. Often in life I've found that some people have a way of feeling condescended just from hearing someone present their opinion confidently. As someone with self-confidence issues, and depression, I've had to carefully learn to feel comfortable speaking my mind, even when people treat a mild presentation of a viewpoint as an attack on their character.
Anyone can read the thread and see that I've treated everyone respectfully, but firmly.
I've quit this forum before, and I've set up this account so that I can easily quit again by forgetting the password - I think I'll exercise that option now, as this kind of environment just isn't worth it. Look after your health people - forums and social media are a waste of time. Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
What an odd reaction to some small disagreement / challenging on a minor, unimportant topic.
That's said, since you left a parting gift, I'll respond in kind:
Thank you for telling me that one of my fun hobbies is a waste of time. Because I thought that was the entire point of a hobby, but what do I know.Funny thing. Often in life I've found that some people have a way of feeling condescended just from hearing someone present their opinion confidently. As someone with self-confidence issues, and depression, I've had to carefully learn to feel comfortable speaking my mind, even when people treat a mild presentation of a viewpoint as an attack on their character.
Anyone can read the thread and see that I've treated everyone respectfully, but firmly.
I've quit this forum before, and I've set up this account so that I can easily quit again by forgetting the password - I think I'll exercise that option now, as this kind of environment just isn't worth it. Look after your health people - forums and social media are a waste of time. Anyway, I'll leave you with this:
Anyway, I think the dialogue is fine.
Your comparison is way off base here for one simple reason:
Jar Jar wasn't polarizing in SW fandom. He was almost universally hated.
That is not true of Silvia Tilley. She has a lot of fans in Trek fandom. She has some detractors as well.
But that does not make her the Binks of Star Trek. It simply makes her someone you don't like.
Ahhhh yes the I'm going to take my ball and go home because you guys don't agree with me approach.........We aren't smart enough to grasp your high concepts of writing I guess.
One of my most favorite songs for oh so many a conversation ender.
(does pleasant rage quitting ever really work?)
I don't know, but I haven't served. Anyone who has should know, so I defer to what they think.
We had at least one vet post in this thread saying it was fine.
As others have said.......it would likely be WAY more salty in real life.Yup, and that's why I defer to what KennyB thinks!
As somebody who says they have depression, I'm surprised at this attitude toward mental health and is effect on professional competence. Anxiety is very common, and many people in critical decision making positions in real life have it. You learn to manage it.
Yes. We do. Thanks, cultcross.
Yep, I'd rather have 10 Tillys and Barclays who are overqualified in every way that counts. She's helped save the day a few times already. Nor should Spock be given the boot for his dyslexia. It's a wonderful group of imperfect people.
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