Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[Yistaan]

It is all the same canon. Canon is just the work. Nothing has more weight that anything else.

Is it though? Did the Romulan D7s in 'The Enterprise Incident' have a bird of prey painted under it, or did they not? http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Enterprise_Incident_(episode)#Remastered_information

Why don't we ask them? Would it not be appropriate to consider their perspective as to whether or not they consider their designs as part of previously designed work or design continuity in terms of canon?

For what it's worth, Bob Justman said of the TOS Remastered that he was fine with them because it was basically using CGI to do what they themselves were trying to do in the 60s. He didn't find the Remasters to be disrespectful or overwriting their work at all, especially as all the design decisions were still intact.

 

[BillJ]

Is it though? Did the Romulan D7s in 'The Enterprise Incident' have a bird of prey painted under it, or did they not? http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Enterprise_Incident_(episode)#Remastered_information

They are both canon. Canon is just the work. You're thinking of Continuity, which is a different animal.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Why are you so confrontational?

I just asked a simple question.

You are right. I was unduly harsh. No matter the perceived provocation I should have behaved better. My apologies to the forum.

 

[ITDUDE]

I love how it says "canonical" in the title when it clearly isn't

Well, I'd rather have Simon Pegg be in charge of Star Trek than just about anyone else. And Kurtzman, I am looking at you as well.

 

[Kor]

The extended cut of Motion Picture is likely more canon as its depiction of Vulcan with no moons lines up with canon more than the initial cut which had at least 1 moon.

Also, the TAS scene is described here: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Hikaru_Sulu#An_imaginary_girl

That's the director's cut, not the extended cut.

Kor

 

[Yistaan]

That's the director's cut, not the extended cut.

Kor

Thanks, my memory lapsed while typing it up the first time.

 

[Mudd]

All released versions of TMP are canon. And they contradict one another in details like the Vulcan moons.

BTW, it's not an established in-universe fact that Vulcan is supposed to have no moons. It's an in-universe fact that Spock told Uhura that Vulcan has no moons. And Vulcans lie - quite a bit, actually. That's long established as well.

 

[cooleddie74]

They are both canon. Canon is just the work. You're thinking of Continuity, which is a different animal.

Both the original versions and the Remastered edits are canon since the stories didn't change at all in either incarnation of each episode. The only arguable exception might be the Klingon "scout ship" in "Friday's Child" which is just an amorphous glowing shape in the original 1967 version but in the Remastered edition is clearly a D7 seen from a distance. Definitely not a scout ship unless the Klingon Empire assigned some of its most powerful and advanced warships to scout duty in backwater star systems where the local natives didn't have space travel capabilities.

Or the Enterprise's sensors absolutely sucked and couldn't tell the difference even within visual distance.

 

[Ovation]

Both the original versions and the Remastered edits are canon since the stories didn't change at all in either incarnation of each episode. The only arguable exception might be the Klingon "scout ship" in "Friday's Child" which is just an amorphous glowing shape in the original 1967 version but in the Remastered edition is clearly a D7 seen from a distance. Definitely not a scout ship unless the Klingon Empire assigned some of its most powerful and advanced warships to scout duty in backwater star systems where the local natives didn't have space travel capabilities.

Or the Enterprise's sensors absolutely sucked and couldn't tell the difference even within visual distance.

Or the scout ship was much closer and was simply a smaller scale version of the same basic design.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nerd!™

 

[XCV330]

Both the original versions and the Remastered edits are canon since the stories didn't change at all in either incarnation of each episode. The only arguable exception might be the Klingon "scout ship" in "Friday's Child" which is just an amorphous glowing shape in the original 1967 version but in the Remastered edition is clearly a D7 seen from a distance. Definitely not a scout ship unless the Klingon Empire assigned some of its most powerful and advanced warships to scout duty in backwater star systems where the local natives didn't have space travel capabilities.

Or the Enterprise's sensors absolutely sucked and couldn't tell the difference even within visual distance.

New Fan Theory: Non-Remastered TOS is seen through the eyes of Scottie at the peak of his drinking and wee-bouts. Since he was in the captain's chair in that episode, everything looked like amorphous blob.

 

[Lord Garth]

TOS vs. TOS-R? I never gave that one any thought.

 

[cooleddie74]

New Fan Theory: Non-Remastered TOS is seen through the eyes of Scottie at the peak of his drinking and wee-bouts. Since he was in the captain's chair in that episode, everything looked like amorphous blob.

Drinking would help make the Irish village holodeck program episodes on VOY more tolerable.

No. No, wait. It won't.

 

[Gojira]

They are both canon. Canon is just the work. You're thinking of Continuity, which is a different animal.

Finally someone understands that! I frequently find in this franchise that people often use the term canon when what they really mean is continuity.

 

[F. King Daniel]

OR IS IT???

*debate starter*

They didn't have a sensitivity to light, so no.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That can be chalk up to the Deltan pheromones. Or maybe Sulu swings both ways?

In the old DC comics series from the 80s, Sulu was banging his cousin () and then cat-lady M'Ress (also), so I'm finding Kelvin universe Sulu's leanings far more palatable.

 

[Kor]

You are assuming Prime, Mirror and Kelvin are the only universes that exist. Within Star Trek we already know that is not true.

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The yellow uniform looks atrocious on Wesley.

Kor

 

[ITDUDE]

Wesley makes the yellow uniform looks atrocious.

FIFY

 

[Kor]

FIFY

Thanks

Kor

 

[TrickyDickie]