Because the show didn't exist when the last licenses were drawn up, and CBS isn't going to allow current license holders to use new content without a premium.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Because the show didn't exist when the last licenses were drawn up, and CBS isn't going to allow current license holders to use new content without a premium.
Gotcha. Makes sense.
No it doesn't. Nothing in DSC feels Kelvin.
Ehh...
Except the window.
Which is not completely outside the realm of rationality, if I accepted the premise. I don't think it perfectly lines up with the Kelvin TOS crew aesthetic, but if there are touches of the USS Kelvin (and I've noted the uniforms before) then it tracks just fine because not every single design was after the divergence.
Yeah the USS Kelvin uniforms tech already established the feel of Discovery, and the Kelvin was technically in the Prime universe.
Also, for Discovery to take place in the Kelvin timeline would require a lot of leaps in logic. In 2255 the Enterprise is still being built on Earth in the Kelvin timeline. In 2256 in Discovery, it is already a top known ship in Lethe and shows up in 2257.
Yet in 2258, Pike proclaims that the Enterprise is brand new in the Kelvin timeline. If Discovery were in the Kelvin timeline, how did the Enterprise go from a well known ship in the field in 2256-2257 to being brand new (with the same registry number) in 2258?
There may still be a reason we haven't seen on why the holographic communications cease to be used. It may even be something mundane--perhaps other cultures Starfleet deals with don't all have holocomunnications. After all, in the real world people don't use video calls for every call even though in theory they could if they really wanted to.
Discovery certainly seems to be making effort in acknowledging the other shows--the Mirror universe is classified to preserve Kirk's surprise in TOS, and the Defiant from Enterprise is acknowledged.
Precisely my thinking.
Well, to me it does. I see more a shared design aesthetic between the STD and the Kelvin Universe where as little to no design continuity between STD and TOS.
I don't think the Kelvin universe and DSC look anything alike other than the fact that they both feature a bridge-window and both were created within the last 10 years. The films lean towards big round shapes with a clean, ipod white look to everything. DSC leans more towards sharp corners and straight lines with more industrial motifs and metallic finishes on their tech. In that sense, I'd say that the Kelvin movies are more in line with the aesthetic of TMP and only TMP, only updated for a modern audience whereas DSC design leans more closely to TUC militarism, a design language that evolved into ENT's more utilitarian interiors, which ultimately led to Discovery itself. There isn't really any kind of continuity between Kelvin and DSC other than they're both not TNG or TOS. Just because they're both new looking doesn't mean they look the same.
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Where? They don't share any similarities.
And it is fine we do not share the same opinion on this. I see what I see. You see what you see. It is ALL good.
Discovery is the first series to use TOS sound affects (not counting TAS).
I dont see any design commonality with the Abrams movies except the fact that they are both newer. When it comes to aesthetics, TOS is entirely on its own.
If we go into design lineage, then even ENT doesn't fit in prime. Klingons, romulans, and earth go from grey and green colored ships to suddenly all white in tos, then back to other colors in the movies again. The design lineage of ships was messed up long before disc. Note how kor says the klothos was a d5, then see the klothos in tas and a d5 in ent.
Shatner and nimoy staged an argument about the d7 as a joke on Roddenberry on set, foreshadowing the arguments we are having here now. On the set, they all had a laugh after staged argument ended. They knew visual continuity can mostly be rewritten as needed even then.
Gene:
I went to the stage one day, and they were all ready and waiting for me, because they knew I was really exhausted from some long rewrite sessions. As soon as I walked up to the set, Bill and Leonard blew a scene, but they blew it on purpose and began arguing very violently. Bill was shouting at the top of his voice, "Leonard! What do you mean saying this is a D-7 Klingon ship! It's a D-6!" Leonard shouted back, "No, you idiot, the D-6 has four doors over here and the D-7 only has two!" Bill immediately shouted back, "No, no, no – it's the other way around. You've got it all wrong."
While all of this is going on, I'm standing there, beginning to get frustrated, watching the minutes tick by and mentally counting the money we're losing in expensive crew time, because the cameras aren't rolling. And as the argument continued, I'm thinking to myself, "What are they talking about? They've gone too far!" Then I remembered thinking that I should remember which is the D-6 or the D-7. Finally I couldn't stand it any more, and so I walked in between them and said, "Come on, fellows, it really doesn't matter. Let's get on with the scene." Then the whole crew broke up laughing. This was their way of saying to me, "Hey, time is not that serious. Relax a little."
Shatner and nimoy staged an argument about the d7 as a joke on Roddenberry on set, foreshadowing the arguments we are having here now. On the set, they all had a laugh after staged argument ended. They knew visual continuity can mostly be rewritten as needed even then.
Gene:
I went to the stage one day, and they were all ready and waiting for me, because they knew I was really exhausted from some long rewrite sessions. As soon as I walked up to the set, Bill and Leonard blew a scene, but they blew it on purpose and began arguing very violently. Bill was shouting at the top of his voice, "Leonard! What do you mean saying this is a D-7 Klingon ship! It's a D-6!" Leonard shouted back, "No, you idiot, the D-6 has four doors over here and the D-7 only has two!" Bill immediately shouted back, "No, no, no – it's the other way around. You've got it all wrong."
While all of this is going on, I'm standing there, beginning to get frustrated, watching the minutes tick by and mentally counting the money we're losing in expensive crew time, because the cameras aren't rolling. And as the argument continued, I'm thinking to myself, "What are they talking about? They've gone too far!" Then I remembered thinking that I should remember which is the D-6 or the D-7. Finally I couldn't stand it any more, and so I walked in between them and said, "Come on, fellows, it really doesn't matter. Let's get on with the scene." Then the whole crew broke up laughing. This was their way of saying to me, "Hey, time is not that serious. Relax a little."
I don't think anyone's trying to attack you.. only asking you to clarify what you find to be similar.
Are they asking to exchange POV's or are they asking in order to pass judgement? Are they demanding more from others than what they are providing themselves? I have heard nothing from some other than contrarianism. Almost to a trollish degree. Not everything is fighting words?
If I see similarities were another does not I'm fine with that. I see a more open and spacious design on STD and KTL offerings. Both TOS and Ent a more closed in feel (Ent felt very … intimate). That's me. YMMV.
Why? Who are you?
It is fantastic you don't. I do. I make no demand that others see it as I do, so what's the problem?
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