Do Vulcans tell lies?
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I can't claim any knowledge of my own, but my search seems to point to it coming from Star Trek Academy: Collision Course by the Reeves-Stevens. I feel bad for posting this somehow.I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure I wrote that.
I tried to find another version but it's hard to find without knowing how the variant is worded. I don't doubt you have a version though!
This did make me laugh though, my search brought up this from a different thread from last year...
Edit: This isn't supposed to be a "Gotcha!" or any crap like that. It's just funny.
I seem to recall in TOS The Voyage Home, Spock says he cannot tell a lie. Of course when asked if he likes pizza, he say no a few times and then yes. Or something like that.I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure I wrote that.
But, yes, Vulcans can absolutely lie . . . if they have a logical reason to do so.
They may find it distasteful, they may have a cultural taboo against doing so, but it's not as though they're incapable of it. And they're not above using that myth to their own advantage at times.
Heck, remember Spock posing as a "trader in kevas and trillium" in "Errand of Mercy"?
Okay, I missed that one -- he does say that. But he only says it about himself, not Vulcans in general. And of course Spock isn't fully in his right mind at that point; he's still partly amnesiac and relearning who he is, as well as relearning the nuances of when it is and isn't appropriate to reveal accurate information.
I always say this is the real reason replying to old threads isn’t allowed on the board. The cognitive dissonance of drafting a reply in your head and then seeing you already wrote it word-for-word five or ten years ago is shattering. I once retired from this board for two or three years because I realized I was having the same debate with the same poster that I’d had six months earlier.
Yeah, but isn't that just as likely to happen if someone starts a new thread on the same topic, which is what will inevitably happen if they want to discuss it but can't revive an old thread? At least if it's the same thread, that makes it easier to search back through it and see whether you already said something.
Agreed.
A Vulcan may find it necessary, in certain circumstances, to tell a lie. But they would probably prefer not to do so unless absolutely forced to. IMHO, a Vulcan would only flat-out lie when all other possible methods were exhausted.
It's a little known fact that as a boy Spock sold kevas and trillium door to to door to raise money for his Scout Troop.I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure I wrote that.
But, yes, Vulcans can absolutely lie . . . if they have a logical reason to do so.
They may find it distasteful, they may have a cultural taboo against doing so, but it's not as though they're incapable of it. And they're not above using that myth to their own advantage at times.
Heck, remember Spock posing as a "trader in kevas and trillium" in "Errand of Mercy"?
The fact that one of his ancestors married a human female may be the LIE that one of his ancestors married a human female.....at least retroactively.
Well, Sarek is one of his ancestors, simply the most recent one. So it's not lying; at most it's dissembling.
I don't know why Spock would say it that way. If he's trying to downplay the influence of his human ancestry, any lapses in judgement will be attributed to a more heavily diluted humanity than half his immediate parentage, which would either imply that any humanity in a Vulcan's lineage has a very noticeable influence, however distant, or that Spock perhaps comes from weak stock, Vulcan-wise, to behave so human-like with so little humanity in him.
Better to admit that's he's half and half.
Better to admit that's he's half and half.
It's early Trek smirky Spock.
Yup. From "The Trial of James T. Kirk", DC's second run, issues 10-12.
How easy is it to accept yourself?
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