Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

[CorporalCaptain]

You didn't see the red shirts die unless they were incinerated, we heard about them dying. Like in "Galileo Seven," "The Man Trap," etc.

Baloney.

Friday's Child

The Apple

The Apple

Obsession

These are just the easy ones to me at the moment. I'm sure there are others.

What, no By Any Other Name?

Yeah, I found that one quite disturbing. I just didn't feel like quibbling about whether the death was "on screen".

It's also worth mentioning that TOS disintegrations were themselves quite shocking; at least, I found those by phaser to be shocking, in ways which the later, as it were, "more graphic" effects never could equal.

More on-screen non-disintegration red shirt deaths:

Wink of an Eye

That Which Survives

 

[BigJake]

So if anything, the point of the movie is about NOT giving into our urges for revenge - unlike Wrath of Khan, which was Moby Dick in space.

Uhhh...

You do realize Moby Dick is a morality tale about the fatal consequences of pursuing revenge, which is also Khan's arc in TWOK, right?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought it was about some guys goin' fishin'.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought it was about some guys goin' fishin'.

That was Jaws.

 

[BigJake]

Well, it was really about the suppressed homoerotic tension between Ishmael and Starbuck. But the whale subplot was pretty compelling.

Exactly what I said above. As somebody said, these people are suffering from a delayed longing for Berman & Braga era Star Trek

Dude, you should really just give up speculating about the motivations of others. This isn't as bad as your somewhat deranged rant about "fundamentalists" the other day, but it's incredibly clear that you just do not know what you're talking about.

 

[SeerSGB]

Baloney.

Friday's Child

The Apple

The Apple

Obsession

These are just the easy ones to me at the moment. I'm sure there are others.

What, no By Any Other Name?

Yeah, I found that one quite disturbing. I just didn't feel like quibbling about whether the death was "on screen".

It's also worth mentioning that TOS disintegrations were themselves quite shocking; at least, I found those by phaser to be shocking, in ways which the later, as it were, "more graphic" effects never could equal.

More on-screen non-disintegration red shirt deaths:

Wink of an Eye

That Which Survives

When I was way younger, when I first watched TOS, the one scene that creeped me out for ages was the bodies in Thoilan Web: a Starfleet crew killing each other, then their bodies dissolving. Don't know why, but to my 6 year old mind that was the stuff of (not literally) nightmares.

Then we get the transporter death in TMP. How fucked up must your body be that it was better that you died? I knew a man that went to the same comic shop as I did back in the day, who refused to watch that scene just cause of Sonak's scream before the beam fails.

And we can't leave out the first two pilots: Pike's tortured with images of burning to death, Kelso gets choked.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Well, it was really about the suppressed homoerotic tension between Ishmael and Starbuck. But the whale subplot was pretty compelling.

Exactly what I said above. As somebody said, these people are suffering from a delayed longing for Berman & Braga era Star Trek

Dude, you should really just give up speculating about the motivations of others. This isn't as bad as your somewhat deranged rant about "fundamentalists" the other day, but it's incredibly clear that you just do not know what you're talking about.

My motivations are right on cue, they're just not what you and others can accept. BTW and FYI, the correct term was foundamentalists, not fundamentalists (look up the word online.)

If the people can't accept the current era, it's not my problem or anybody else's, it's theirs. And if you think what I called them was bad, wait until you've heard what others have to say about these misguidedly nostalgic fans:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM[/yt]

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Assume my Google-fu sucks. What's a foundamentalist, and what's a link to something authoritative defining it?

 

[F. King Daniel]

So if anything, the point of the movie is about NOT giving into our urges for revenge - unlike Wrath of Khan, which was Moby Dick in space.

Uhhh...

You do realize Moby Dick is a morality tale about the fatal consequences of pursuing revenge, which is also Khan's arc in TWOK, right?

Yes but Ahab and Khan were ultimately dragged down by their obsessive lust for revenge, Kirk and Spock were not.

 

[BillJ]

What, no By Any Other Name?

Yeah, I found that one quite disturbing. I just didn't feel like quibbling about whether the death was "on screen".

It's also worth mentioning that TOS disintegrations were themselves quite shocking; at least, I found those by phaser to be shocking, in ways which the later, as it were, "more graphic" effects never could equal.

More on-screen non-disintegration red shirt deaths:

Wink of an Eye

That Which Survives

When I was way younger, when I first watched TOS, the one scene that creeped me out for ages was the bodies in Thoilan Web: a Starfleet crew killing each other, then their bodies dissolving. Don't know why, but to my 6 year old mind that was the stuff of (not literally) nightmares.

Then we get the transporter death in TMP. How fucked up must your body be that it was better than you died? I knew a man that went to the same comic shop as I did back in teh day, who refused to watch that scene just cause of Sonak's scream before the beam fails.

And we can't leave out the first two pilots: Pike's tortured with images of burning to death, Kelso gets choked.

Can you imagine if TOS was made today, how much blood and gore would've been included in those death scenes? I always thought TOS was much darker and more violent than people today give it credit for.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, bring on R Rated Trek!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Baloney.

Friday's Child

The Apple

The Apple

Obsession

These are just the easy ones to me at the moment. I'm sure there are others.

What, no By Any Other Name?

Yeah, I found that one quite disturbing. I just didn't feel like quibbling about whether the death was "on screen".

It's also worth mentioning that TOS disintegrations were themselves quite shocking; at least, I found those by phaser to be shocking, in ways which the later, as it were, "more graphic" effects never could equal.

More on-screen non-disintegration red shirt deaths:

Wink of an Eye

That Which Survives

The tortured McCoy in the Empath was pretty brutal.

 

[BigJake]

My motivations are right on cue, they're just not what you and others can accept.

I don't care overmuch what your motivations are or aren't. I think you should just stop pretending you know anything about anyone else's when it's obvious that you don't.

If the people can't accept the current era, it's not my problem or anybody else's

Correct. In fact it's probably not something you should concern yourself about at all, since someone's not liking a thing you like isn't a personal judgment of you and you can in all probability learn to encounter it without being a giant vagina about things.

(If I judge correctly from your nick that you're a South African, think about it this way: if Madiba could manage reconciliation of a country on the verge of war, reconciliation with people who just happen to prefer the older versions of something you like should be a piece of cake. )

 

[SeerSGB]

What, no By Any Other Name?

Yeah, I found that one quite disturbing. I just didn't feel like quibbling about whether the death was "on screen".

It's also worth mentioning that TOS disintegrations were themselves quite shocking; at least, I found those by phaser to be shocking, in ways which the later, as it were, "more graphic" effects never could equal.

More on-screen non-disintegration red shirt deaths:

Wink of an Eye

That Which Survives

The tortured McCoy in the Empath was pretty brutal.

What little girls are made of: Redshirt fell/pushed off ledge, redshirt snapped neck,and murder/suicide all in one episode.

Whom Gods Destroy: Marta dragged out into a poisonous atmosphere, choking and dying while Kirk is forced to watch, then blown up by Garth.

 

[Greg Cox]

The Apple probably holds some sort of record for killing redshirts--by explosive rock, poison thorn, lightning bolt, and being hit on the head with a club!

None of which stops Chekov from flirting with Landon the whole ep.

"Well, yes, four of our friends just died, but check out that moonlight. Romantic, isn't it?"

 

[SeerSGB]

The Apple probably holds some sort of record for killing redshirts--by explosive rock, poison thorn, lightning bolt, and being hit on the head with a club!

None of which stops Chekov from flirting with Landon the whole ep.

"Well, yes, four of our friends just died, but check out that moonlight. Romantic, isn't it?"

Hey, the mission must go on. They would have wanted it that way.

...well minus the whole death thing of course.

 

[Greg Cox]

Can you imagine if TOS was made today, how much blood and gore would've been included in those death scenes? I always thought TOS was much darker and more violent than people today give it credit for.

Amen. And it's probably worth noting that several TOS writers were no strangers to dark themes:

Robert Bloch (Psycho), Richard Matheson (I am Legend, Hell House, etc.), Theodore Sturgeon (Some of Your Blood, "It"), Harlan Ellison (A Boy and His Dog, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream," etc.), Norman Spinrad (Bug Jack Barron, The Iron Dream, etc.), Jerome Bixby ("It's a Good Life"). Heck, even Roddenberry dabbled in horror with Spectre.

No surprise that TOS did not shy away from horror elements.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Yeah, that's that STAR FLEET training, for you, that lets you get back to life, without missing a beat, regardless of who dies. Unless, of course, it's one of the main cast. You know, say what you will of the TNG episode Skin of Evil, I love it how, during Bev's attempts to save Yar and the meeting afterwards, where everyone's talking over eachother, the crew doesn't just "get over it." And, of course, when Spock offers up his life in STAR TREK II, even Shatner emotes in an appropriate and memorable way -- SHATNER!!! But, yeah, if you're a nameless extra, or somebody we hardly, or don't even, know ... ehh ... shit happens. Whatcha gonna do ... ? You know? What can you do. Grab a hold of a hot member of the opposite sex and thank god you're alive like Chekov does, might be a good start, come to think of it.

 

[Greg Cox]

You know? What can you do. Grab a hold of a hot member of the opposite sex and thank god you're alive like Chekov does, might be a good start, come to think of it.

I mock Chekov, but, you know, I have an autographed photo of Celeste Yarnall framed in my office, only a few feet away from where I'm typing this . . .

 

[2takesfrakes]

You go, boy!