You mean like the DNA database the novels said existed on Vulcan, which would have allowed Saavik to identify her Vulcan relatives, but which she chose to not use?
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You mean like the DNA database the novels said existed on Vulcan, which would have allowed Saavik to identify her Vulcan relatives, but which she chose to not use?
I suppose the whole concept of Starfleet and the Federation might be different in this movie. Suppose Earth is still run by one or more civilian governments and just happens to be part of the Federation, instead of being governed directly by the Federation. I'm sure there would be just as much violence in the twenty third century as there is now. We can't assume that JJ kept the whole world unity because of first contact with Vulcans idea. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I think he was looking for a more ruff and gritty society to base his characters on. A society where hicks and starfleet cadets get into barfights and rebelious loners ride motorcycles and wreck priceless antiques!
The standing assumption is that that's a robot cop that catches up with young James Tiberius Kirk.
[EDITING TO ADD:] I do not support the idea of a robot cop. [/END EDIT]
What says it's really a cop?
What if it's someone *disguised* as a cop? What if he doesn't want to be identified, so wears a full face covering helmet?
Compare, in trailer #2, two sound bites, listen to them side by side.
"What is your name," (@ 00:28) and "The wait is over." (@ 01:37)
Tell me what you hear.
-- CorboMight
Corbo --
It seems the original question in your post got lost in this robot discussion.
I listened closely to each soundbite (and I have a pretty good ear), and it seems that the voices are similar, but I'm not ready to say they are the same.
Hopefully the "official version" of the trailer will have much better sound quality than the one I viewed and listened to. Perhaps more can be found out tomorrow (Monday) when it is released.
It could be Pike. I do know that its Greenwood doing the V.O. when Kirk is riding his bike
That's how it is *now*. Earth has its own government (United Earth), separate from the Federation.
I came to that conclusion based on the fact that in ds9 they always portrayed the Federation as having control over Earth. The old Star Trek encyclopedia said something about whether or not the Single world government existed beyond the 22nd century wasn't known because it was never mentioned. Being that this movie is a new interpretation, it could be, as they say in Monty Python, "Something completely different"!
Having had a chance to listen again, I'd agree that the two voices are similar in register and timbre, but I don't think they are the same person, or at least not the same character. Some of the consonant pronunciations seem distinctly different.
I'd also be somewhat skeptical about the "motor cop" being Pike. It would require more explanation of what a Starfleet officer is doing chasing a twelve-year-old boy around rural roads than I think most people would be willing to swallow.
Yeah, it's more like some of the posters in this thread want to make that idea more prevalent.
Kinda ridiculous idea I think. And no... I doubt it's Nero.
Hell, we've already got that now. Any cop, anywhere in North America (not just the USA... the database is completely common to all three North American nations and open to anyone from any of the three) has full access to your ID records (everything associated with your driver's license, criminal record (if any) etc, etc) already.
All part of your "Security and Prosperity Partnership" at work...
Or why would a robot need a visor/ shades like the one you see him lifting up?
As for the theory that it might be Nero... My inclination would be that it isn't Nero, however I can't think of a logical reason for that scene to be in the movie unless it's a way to lead into the druncle or if it's Nero trying something.
Y'know, I really shoulda just dropped that line entirely.
But, sigh, it's been responded to, so it has to stand, and there's been some neat discussion from it.As to the similarity of the voice in the two sound bites, well, I had made a little Quicktime movie with just those two clips, so I could play them in quick succession.
And -- to my ear at least -- it's the same voice. Though I respect the healthy skepticism of others.
Now, that suggests, to me, that Nero has disguised himself as a cop. And that Kirk was evading his pursuer, not just out for a joy ride. (There is a bit of a how-dare-you tone when he announces his name.)
It is also possible that Eric Bana provides an uncredited performance as the cop's voice. (With a paltry $150 Million budget, sometimes you gotta wear more than one hat.
)Three hours until the official trailer is up, then I can take a closer listen.
-- CorboMight
It's really Boba Fett.
Come on, if that were Boba Fett, then he woulda said:
FETT
(filtered)
You're no good to me dead.
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On the cop being a robot, in my opinion a robot would not need a separate mode of transportation, they could build the hover mechanism right into the robot it' self.
The cop being Nero in disguise, (not saying he is!) does put an weird spin on the whole thing. Here all along we've been lead down the path towards an idea Nero was out to change history by offing Kirk but instead he ends up being some sort of father figure or mentor for Kirk (just speculating!) I get that idea because of Kirk later riding a motorcycle, some sort of hero worship perhaps? The point is though, if it is Nero, his plan to change history would seem to, (in this speculator) revolve around 'straitening Kirk up'.
Nero or not, I think the cop does end up being a good influence on Kirk. A positive message could be that Law Enforcement Officers of the future are really something special, working for society's good in ways other than their just throwing offenders into jail and forgetting them, letting them become someone else's problem. I got a real sense of caring from the cops tone.
The cop being Nero in disguise, (not saying he is!) does put an weird spin on the whole thing. Here all along we've been lead down the path towards an idea Nero was out to change history by offing Kirk but instead he ends up being some sort of father figure or mentor for Kirk (just speculating!) I get that idea because of Kirk later riding a motorcycle, some sort of hero worship perhaps? The point is though, if it is Nero, his plan to change history would seem to, (in this speculator) revolve around 'straitening Kirk up'.
Nero or not, I think the cop does end up being a good influence on Kirk. A positive message could be that Law Enforcement Officers of the future are really something special, working for society's good in ways other than their just throwing offenders into jail and forgetting them, letting them become someone else's problem. I got a real sense of caring from the cops tone.
The standing assumption is that that's a robot cop that catches up with young James Tiberius Kirk.
[EDITING TO ADD:] I do not support the idea of a robot cop. [/END EDIT]
What says it's really a cop?
What if it's someone *disguised* as a cop? What if he doesn't want to be identified, so wears a full face covering helmet?
Compare, in trailer #2, two sound bites, listen to them side by side.
"What is your name," (@ 00:28) and "The wait is over." (@ 01:37)
Tell me what you hear.
-- CorboMight
The robocop is obviously the elder Spock.
What I meant with "I don't see it" was not that I don't think it is possible.
I meant I don't see such a database existing in a Trek future Earth.
Sounds too dystopian and 1984-like.
Sorry...I've only ever read 6 Trek novels in my life.
This was not in anyone of them. *shrug*
The very next shot is NimoySpock materializing behind the cop in a flash of light, blowing him away with a sawed-off shotgun, then saying to Jimmy Kirk "come vith me if you vant to liff."
If you listen to the voice and the timing and delivery of the line that the "cop" utters, you can tell it's Nimoy... I'm not saying this to be an ass or start any argument... I'm telling you, it's the elder Spock.
Which was not in fact the case.
It is now. We've known it ever since ENT.
It would have to, in any case. If not, then Earth citizens would have no rights.
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