Disgruntled Janeway fans: try a carrot

[JoeZhang]

...Janeway fans out there who are unhappy about her death.

When did this happen? She struck me as someone who does what it takes to survive. Death wasnt on the agenda for the likes of Janeway.

It went down like this:

1) ZOMG Captain Picard totally pwn'd the borg and left that cube lying dead in space. We will sent a single ship to investigate and do science stuff on it.

2) I Janeway will go see the cube for myself.

3) "shouldn't we have more ships out here?" Shut up ensign.

4) Arggggggggggggg the wall has eaten me!

5) BOOM!

THE END.

 

[donners22]

You left off the Five-Minute Voyager "GAK" to signify death. Or is that a hint she is not really dead?

 

[JoeZhang]

You left off the Five-Minute Voyager "GAK" to signify death. Or is that a hint she is not really dead?

1) ZOMG Captain Picard totally pwn'd the borg and left that cube lying dead in space. We will sent a single ship to investigate and do science stuff on it.

2) I Janeway will go see the cube for myself.

3) "shouldn't we have more ships out here?" Shut up ensign.

4) Arggggggggggggg the wall has eaten me!

5) BOOM!

6) Hello there I am Lady Q, now you know why I was in this book. I am talking to you after your death so it's clear to the reader that you are really dead!

Janeway: Doesn't that actually undercut my death and make it more likely that this is a fakeout?

Lady Q: shut up and drink your coffee - here in the afterlife because you are DEAD and unless you meet a creature with ill-defined magical powers will remain dead.

Janeway: Don't you have ill-defined magic powers?

Lady Q: Shut up and drink your coffee.

THE END.

 

[shanejayell]

"Shut up and drink your coffee."

*lol*

 

[Dayton Ward]

Lady Q: Shut up and drink your coffee.

Janeway: This is decaf.

Lady Q: :: snaps fingers ::

Janeway: Hmm. Okay, but it's not the same.

Lady Q: Don't make me send you back. I'll stick your brain in that doofus android that looks like Data.

Janeway: This is some damned fine coffee.

 

[captcalhoun]

DAYTON FTW!

someone should give you a sitcom...

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ Give Joe the credit. I was just feeding off what he started

 

[rfmcdpei]

...Janeway fans out there who are unhappy about her death.

When did this happen? She struck me as someone who does what it takes to survive. Death wasnt on the agenda for the likes of Janeway.

It seemed entirely plausible to me that she'd be spectacularly overconfident and fall prey to an unusual Borg maneuver. This is the woman who was hunting down Borg scout ships in the Delta Quadrant for their transwarp coils, remember.

 

[Lynx]

That doesn't help you at the moment, joyofvgr, but your time may yet come. I never believed all my ST wishes would come true.

Thanks, Therin. I know. I'm sure Lynx feels the same way about Kes too.

Well, when it comes to Kes, I've given up. I have the feeling that future stories about her will only mess things up even more since everyone involved with writing seems so bound by the canon crap from the series, about "Fury" and that "old-Kes-goes-back-to-Ocampa" rubbish. That's not what I want to see when it comes to the character. If I want to read a really good Kes story, then I write it myself.

As for Janeway, I still have hope!

donners22 wrote:

Well, the lifespan and procreation of Ocampa was just so ridiculous in the way it was presented, I just tried to ignore all that.

The same here, I simply ignored it which was actually easy since it was seldom mentioned in the series. It did seem to be forgotten even by the writers themselves.

joyofvgr wrote:

I have seen the posts by Kristen Beyer both here and at ST.com. I have a feeling that she did put it all back together again. The problem is that knowing it will end with the ultimate demise of my favorite Captain is heartbreaking for me. So much so, that I'm not sure I can bring myself to read her novel. I just have to wait and see what others have to say about it. Sorry. It's just the way I feel. I'm not trying to be spiteful in anyway.

I agree here as well. As I've mentioned before, I'm not that happy with the current development of Star Trek. If the future policy is to kill off the main characters, then you can count me out from everything considering "official Star Trek". But I guess that the interest for the whole phenomenon will stay, I've been a fan for too long now. I have to settle with bits and pieces, such as re-watching the old episodes and read and write fan-fiction.

 

[Therin of Andor]

If the future policy is to kill off the main characters

No, but thankfully, the licensed tie-ins don't have to always keep the status quo any more and can actually do some growth, development and, yes, even mortality.

I've been a fan for too long now.

Yep.

 

[kimc]

It seemed entirely plausible to me that she'd be spectacularly overconfident and fall prey to an unusual Borg maneuver. This is the woman who was hunting down Borg scout ships in the Delta Quadrant for their transwarp coils, remember.

So if Kirk or Picard were hunting down borg scout ships would they be spectacularly overconfident or really cool?

Don't bother posting "they wouldn't have been trapped in the Delta quadrant in the first place" because that's a copout.

 

[William Leisner]

It seemed entirely plausible to me that she'd be spectacularly overconfident and fall prey to an unusual Borg maneuver. This is the woman who was hunting down Borg scout ships in the Delta Quadrant for their transwarp coils, remember.

So if Kirk or Picard were hunting down borg scout ships would they be spectacularly overconfident or really cool?

I think the point is that neither Kirk nor Picard would be hunting down Borg scout ships in the first place. It's not a lack of confidence or "cool" that prevents someone from going out with a baseball bat looking for hornet's nests.

Before Voyager came along, the Borg were actually dangerous motherfrakkers that you gave as wide a berth as possible. Voyager took the Borg and diminished them, and then kept on diminishing them until they were only slightly more frightening than the TNG season 1 Ferengi. Frankly, letting Janeway get stung by the hornets in Before Dishonor was really the best way to undo what had been done over the last half of the Voyager series.

 

[Lynx]

If the future policy is to kill off the main characters

No, but thankfully, the licensed tie-ins don't have to always keep the status quo any more and can actually do some growth, development and, yes, even mortality.

I've been a fan for too long now.

Yep.

I don't think I will call it "growth" or "development". The only words I find for it in this case are "unnecessary character destruction".

As for being a fan for too long, well I do think I will remain a fan. But a fan of the characters and a fan of Star Trek itself, not of certain writers, bosses and current trends.

 

[Trek]

It seemed entirely plausible to me that she'd be spectacularly overconfident and fall prey to an unusual Borg maneuver. This is the woman who was hunting down Borg scout ships in the Delta Quadrant for their transwarp coils, remember.

So if Kirk or Picard were hunting down borg scout ships would they be spectacularly overconfident or really cool?

I think the point is that neither Kirk nor Picard would be hunting down Borg scout ships in the first place. It's not a lack of confidence or "cool" that prevents someone from going out with a baseball bat looking for hornet's nests.

Exactly. In fact I really liked that Picard responded negtively to a plan to do just that in Destiny.

 

[joyofvgr]

If the future policy is to kill off the main characters

No, but thankfully, the licensed tie-ins don't have to always keep the status quo any more and can actually do some growth, development and, yes, even mortality.

I've been a fan for too long now.

Yep.

I don't think I will call it "growth" or "development". The only words I find for it in this case are "unnecessary character destruction".

As for being a fan for too long, well I do think I will remain a fan. But a fan of the characters and a fan of Star Trek itself, not of certain writers, bosses and current trends.

I for one always used Trek as an escape. I thought it was Utopian in nature and that I wouldn't have to deal with the harsh emotions that reality often makes one deal with. As Sci-fi fantasy it was a great way to escape reality. I was not a fan of the episode "Real Life" for that reason, nor did I like when Tasha Yar was stricten down for no reason by that pile of goo. However, I always thought Voyager should have been a little more realistic. I always thought that show was a little too perfect given their circumstances. In fact, if someone had asked me a year ago to write down my ideas to improve Voyager, it would have looked exactly like BSG, even though I did not see a single episode of BSG until last fall.

I always thought they should have written main character death into Voyager's story to make it more realistic and highlight how dangerous the Delta Quadrant was, for example. However, after watching BSG, I felt that those plot lines are too realistic and gritty for a Trek series. I still think so and that's only one more reason that I'm so against Janeway's death. I don't like getting emotionally invested in characters that are going to die. Trek was never that kind of series. It was always very lighthearted and had an element of comedy too it, especially the movies. I would prefer that it stay that way.

 

[Thrawn]

Trek was never the kind of series that killed off main characters? Especially in the movies? What show were you watching?

Yar, Wesley, Jadzia, tons of recurring characters in DS9, Kes, and then in the movies Spock (sure he was brought back, but they didn't intend to at the time it was written, much like Janeway now), Kirk, and Data...

Main character death has always been a part of the Star Trek universe, at the very least from Wrath Of Khan forwards. Not an immensely huge part, to be sure, but definitely an important component. And Janeway is the first main character to be killed in the books... just after the books revived Trip Tucker!

The books actually have a BETTER record on this than the movies or shows do.

 

[Brit]

Personally I think that the Novels are pretty overconfident in the Borg. They were, as everyone is born dying. There will come a time when they cannot assimilate worlds fast enough when creative peoples’ technology will overcome the Borg’s ability to take it. They do not produce they steal, and that moment came the minute they discovered Species 8472. You all put too much stock in “The Mighty Borg” as the boogie man. The Borg don’t work anymore, they are no longer scary.

Brit

 

[ronny]

I don't like getting emotionally invested in characters that are going to die. Trek was never that kind of series. It was always very lighthearted and had an element of comedy too it, especially the movies. I would prefer that it stay that way.

We're we watching the same series?

In TOS, Balance of Terror, The City on the Edge of Forever, The Doomsday Machine.

In TNG, Skin of Evil, The Vengeance Factor, The Most Toys, Unification I.

In DS9, Sacrifice of Angels, Tears of the Prophets, Life Support, Empok Nor, Blaze of Glory.

In VOY, Tuvix, Basics Part II

All of those episodes had either the death of a long standing character or someone who was only in a single episode but who left such an impression on me I was saddened when they died. You may not like the fact that that Janeway was killed off but to say that Star Trek has never had serious episodes with characters we cared about dying is flat out wrong.

 

[Thrawn]

Well, Brit...

Spoiler: Destiny

The Borg no longer exist.

So what are you complaining about?

 

[Trek]

The Borg have also never been scarier than they were in Destiny.