I was watching Voyager and I've re-watched the series several times. What the heck were you watching and what were you on while watching it?
Disgruntled Janeway fans: try a carrot
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I was watching Voyager and I've re-watched the series several times. What the heck were you watching and what were you on while watching it?
Not at all. Janeway's always had more than her share of hubris, as evidenced in "Caretaker" and the entire series that followed. That's the primary reason Voyager made it home in only seven years.
Ok, potentially sacrificing your crew's lives in order to protect a group of innocent beings and prevent an obviously hostile race from gaining incredibly powerful technology that can, at the very least, move a ship 70,000 light-years in seconds shows hubris. Good to know!
^^ Hubris: overweening self-confidence. Tell me Kathryn Janeway didn't display that characteristic throughout the series, from beginning to end.
Dude - Picard got his crew home from 2.7 million light years in 45 minutes - 70,000 light-years is like the next room. I chalk it up to laziness.
That pretty much sums up my feelings as I was reading it.
I was watching Voyager and I've re-watched the series several times. What the heck were you watching and what were you on while watching it?
I take it you missed the episode where Voyager got chased by 3 Borg Cubes and Janway's response was "We've beat the Borg before"
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but I can see the other side of it. A lot of people read for comfort and escapism, and I really do the same thing in a lot of ways, just to a lesser extent. I don't read very much that's incredibly depressing, unless it really makes me think; one of the things that attracts me to Trek is its fundamental, and at times unrealistic, optimism.
I mean, I could just say "I like to be challenged when I read, I just prefer stories with an optimistic bent!" But then, someone like Lynx could say "I like to be challenged too, I just prefer stories where main characters don't die and everything turns out the way it started! Along the way, ANYTHING could happen!" And then there's my sister, admittedly only in middle school at the time, was totally freaked out by Year Of Hell, and she was a HUGE Voyager fan. She didn't even want things to get THAT bad before the reset button kicked in. I feel that in large part it's simply a matter of degree, really.
And on another note, this is absurdly picayune, but I wouldn't personally say "literature"; that sounds like some stuffy old guy had to pronounce its Worth To Society first. I just say "art"; which to me just has the connotation of being purely in the eye of the beholder. To me, Destiny is art. I can imagine others for whom it is an agonizingly awful bastardization of something they love (Lynx, perhaps) and on the other hand those who would find it boring and completely meaningless (my mom, just as an example). Art is subjective.
It's just cool for me that they happen to be writing the art I love to read.
I've always thought so with respect to the post-series fiction. The VOY-R (and antecedant Golden pieces like No Man's Land) had an absurdly beatific, giggly Janeway who like totally becomes BFFs with her ex-fiancé wife. In Before Dishonor she was so despondent and embittered it verged on self-loathing. There's gotta be a way to write Janeway without falling into one extreme of the character or another.
Kathryn Janeway didn't display that characteric throughout the series, from beginning to end.
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Eh? What would have been the correct response in your view? "Oh, fuck, we're all gonna die!" Not really inspiring leadership, that.
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I was watching Voyager and I've re-watched the series several times. What the heck were you watching and what were you on while watching it?
I take it you missed the episode where Voyager got chased by 3 Borg Cubes and Janway's response was "We've beat the Borg before"
Or when they go hunting Borg for spare parts. "I feel lucky today!" This is the same Janeway who slides down into a prison inhabited by murderous men. I liked Voyager, but she was mad.
I was watching Voyager and I've re-watched the series several times. What the heck were you watching and what were you on while watching it?
I take it you missed the episode where Voyager got chased by 3 Borg Cubes and Janway's response was "We've beat the Borg before"
Or when they go hunting Borg for spare parts. "I feel lucky today!" This is the same Janeway who slides down into a prison inhabited by murderous men. I liked Voyager, but she was mad.
Or Going back in time with the intent to change the past to benefit her crew and damn the consequences of the rest of history she's changing.
From what I understand, they do a have a specific story to tell. It involves the rest of the Voyager crew recovering from the after affects and from the grief of her death. Now we can argue all day on whether we think that's an interesting story or not, well, not sure if you and I would really have much to argue about here
, but it is a story that requires a specific person to die, not just a random admiral.As someone who reads most of the books I happen to believe the phrase "lack of imagination" is one of the last terms I think applies to the authors and editors.
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Janeway: Trust me Mr. Paris, if we fly into that sun, it will transport us home.
Paris: (WTF?) Yes Ma'am.
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You must have your quotes mixed up. That one is not from Voyager. Perhaps you were thinking of something else?
If you're going to quote, quote it correctly, please. Especially when the quote is meant to ridicule the character, which is the impression I get.
It sounds a bit like the Barcley episode where some Ferangi high jack the monthly data stream with a Holo-Barcley contained, make adjustments to it and he tries and sweet talks the crew into linking two red giants they can fold space and get from star A too star B really quickly! I think it's Inside Man!
It sounds a bit like the Barcley episode where some Ferangi high jack the monthly data stream with a Holo-Barcley contained, make adjustments to it and he tries and sweet talks the crew into linking two red giants they can fold space and get from star A too star B really quickly! I think it's Inside Man!
And it really dosen't help Janeway's or the rest of the crew for that matter's case when Admiral Paris pretty much says there no way they'd be stupid enough to fly into it.
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