Disgruntled Janeway fans: try a carrot
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You really can't equate realistic violence scenes with realistic sex scenes in books, though. The purpose is really different. Realistic violence seems to be more effective in that it gives the book more gravity and meaning or whatever. "A Klingon killed him with a bat'leth" is less evocative and serious then "The Klingon disemboweled him and there was blood everywhere and we slipped and fell in it". That's a stupid example.
Sex scenes, at least in my opinion, can't do anything to advance the plot or add to the story in a way that a regular romance scene couldn't. For that matter, as talented as Trek writers may be, written sex scenes almost always turn out badly.
I take it you mean in Trek novels, not generally - because I'd certainly argue the point that people show different sides of themselves when having sex and a well written sex scene can display those psychological nuances (or not so nuances!).
Paul
*groans* If I didn't love Destiny so much I think I would have to smack the Mack!
Kevin
Well, I would hope *that* would appear in such a book if it were published...though I don't usually call it that.
Dave
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all. 
And not surprisingly, the publisher/editors never referred to it as such.
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
This. Will. Not. Happen. I cannot say it any plainer. The series put the lid on this with it's own final episode, and the post-finale novels have been about the characters moving on from that point.
And, let me tell you AuntKate, if they did that, the bitching and whining around here about them not having any better ideas than just restarting the story that had already been told on the TV series would be EPIC. Maybe not this epic, but close to it.
Any decision they make will piss someone off. Period. You were pissed off by this one, and that sucks for you, but that doesn't make it a worse decision than any other. Voyager ended at a point where its premise and reason had concluded; moving on from there would necessarily either be about moving backwards and lamely restarting the show, which would piss off everyone interested in them moving on, or treating the situation realistically and having them go their separate ways (at least for a little while), pissing off the fans that just wanted more DQ adventures, like yourself.
I'm sorry it didn't go your way this time, I really am. (I recently had to stop reading Star Wars, which I'd followed religiously for a decade and a half, because their creative direction was so antithetical to what I want; it sucks, I know it.) But are you really telling me that, in some absolute way outside your own personal preferences, the option you presented would be better?
Any decision they make will piss someone off. Period. You were pissed off by this one, and that sucks for you, but that doesn't make it a worse decision than any other. Voyager ended at a point where its premise and reason had concluded; moving on from there would necessarily either be about moving backwards and lamely restarting the show, which would piss off everyone interested in them moving on, or treating the situation realistically and having them go their separate ways (at least for a little while), pissing off the fans that just wanted more DQ adventures, like yourself.
I'm sorry it didn't go your way this time, I really am. (I recently had to stop reading Star Wars, which I'd followed religiously for a decade and a half, because their creative direction was so antithetical to what I want; it sucks, I know it.) But are you really telling me that, in some absolute way outside your own personal preferences, the option you presented would be better?
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
Honestly, I wonder why this sort of thing does not happen, perhaps even in a simpler manner than you suggest. You get these ridiculous contrivances to deal with events in the show's "past", yet why couldn't books be simply be set at a certain point in the show's chronology. Just give us the old "historian's note", do it from the memoirs of a character or something. I know that some people may be reluctant to tread over "old" ground, but there's plenty of room to move within established canon. While I would not touch most relaunch books, I'd gladly take a look at one set in the show's canon.
Hell, the Dragonlance series started with one trilogy, went back in time to set up that trilogy, went through the past of the characters, went to their deaths, went a couple of generations into the future and then returned back to the original trilogy. It's not the same as a book series based on a canon show, but it's an example of a successful series that does not necessarily have to be linear.
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
You're seriously suggesting a Return to Gilligan's Island series? How could that possibly be true to the characters or the series? They didn't want to be in the Delta Quadrant. They didn't even want to be on the same ship as each other. They wanted to get back home to their loved ones and move on with their lives. Dumping them back in the middle of nowhere after they'd achieved what the whole series was building up to would be a much bigger betrayal than killing Janeway, IMHO.
I don't have a problem with getting occasional novels set during the TV series. But to ignore the series finale and hit a reset button just because you want more of the same old, same old -- how is that a relaunch?
We've seen how the Voyager characters deal with being lost in space. Now it's time to see how they deal with being back. Christie Golden's books all but ignored that, focusing instead on Libby the Spy, the holorevolution, the Borg virus, the hyperemotional new counselor, and Chakotay the magic Indian, and coincidentally sidelining Seven and Tuvok. Kirsten Beyer is going to build on Golden's books, but I'd be surprised if she doesn't fill in a lot of the gaps Golden ignored. That's a lot more interesting to me than a reset button.
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
that's so mindbogglingly dumb, i can't even express it or i'll get banned.
I'd still love to see one or more books that explore the quashed "Endgame" timeline; the original, twenty-six odd years' journey home. I'd be particularly interested in anything that could shed further light on Admiral Janeway's and Captain Kim's motivations...
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Hmm... like Crucible telling the story of McCoy in 20th century Earth. Yeah, that could be interesting. Admiral Janeway really didn't seem to have justifiable cause for what she did; a book that cast some new light on that would be worth reading.
Being the sap that I am, I'm not sure she didnt have 'justifiable cause', but I absolutely agree that this would be an interesting subject for a book. Besides I always want more details.
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
Haha!
It's the ending of "Rescue from Gilligan's Island" all over again. One year after returning to civilization, the castaways have a reunion three-hour tour on the Voyager II - I mean Minnow II - wearing fresh versions of same clothes they wore all those years in the Delta Quadrant/tropical island. They go on a new three-hour tour and get shipwrecked again! Until the next reunion telemovie.
I'd CERTAINLY agree with this; I think in the right hands that, in a Myriad Universes kind of way, this would make one hell of a story.
The very chunky "String Theory" trilogy. Read that?
Here's a carrot. Relaunch Voyager. Don't try to shoehorn the ship and characters into the AQ created by the movies or the "book universe" that everyone here thinks is wonderful. Be true to the underlying premise of a ship alone in deep space and send them out there. "Contrive" a plot that does it, and once they're out there, contrivances won't be necessary. What we have been given is not really a "relaunch" at all.
Haha!
It's the ending of "Rescue from Gilligan's Island" all over again. One year after returning to civilization, the castaways have a reunion three-hour tour on the Voyager II - I mean Minnow II - wearing fresh versions of same clothes they wore all those years in the Delta Quadrant/tropical island. They go on a new three-hour tour and get shipwrecked again! Until the next reunion telemovie.
You know I liked Castaways of Gilligan's Island a lot better in that they get of the island and Mr. Howle turns the island into a resort and gives the other castaways jobs there so they can still use the island in the movie just not be stuck on it.
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