Discrepancies
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They don't need the Tardigrade, though.
Staments made the jump for Discovery at the end of the latest episode. Thinking about it, Seven would probably be the smartest choice to plug in for the Voyager crew, and then spend a new days regenerating it off.
Of course, if it was a Voyager episode they'd have to sabotage it anyway. But based on what we've seen thus far of DSC and pretending it's the past of the Voyager universe, they'd be home as soon as they could make their saucer spin.
The slipstream drive was given to them in hope & fear, worked, then they tried to rebuild it and the implication in "Timeless" is, that all of the tests have been done, the calculations made. It didn't work. It was mentioned again in the Seinfeld episode(that they couldn't adapt it to Voyager), and the episode "Timeless" was referenced another time in "Relativity." They travel 300 ly(Hope & Fear), then 10,000 ly(Timeless) before finding out just how dangerous it is.
The transwarp drive was stolen, and worked fine until it ran out of juice. (It took them 20,000 ly)Stealing another one was not an option, and when they came across a derelict cube later, they mention checking for it.
The slingshot was a lucky find, and worked fine. 500 ly.
Those were the only 3 technologies that Voyager implemented on their ship that helped them get home sooner. They all worked. None of them were invented by the Voyager crew. This mostly all happened within a single season.
They were also pushed 10,000 ly or so by a godlike alien being, traveled 2500 ly through a wormhole, 200 ly through man-made wormhole, and 30,000 ly through a Borg wormhole.
The transwarp drive was stolen, and worked fine until it ran out of juice. (It took them 20,000 ly)Stealing another one was not an option, and when they came across a derelict cube later, they mention checking for it.
The slingshot was a lucky find, and worked fine. 500 ly.
Those were the only 3 technologies that Voyager implemented on their ship that helped them get home sooner. They all worked. None of them were invented by the Voyager crew. This mostly all happened within a single season.
They were also pushed 10,000 ly or so by a godlike alien being, traveled 2500 ly through a wormhole, 200 ly through man-made wormhole, and 30,000 ly through a Borg wormhole.
I don't think Voyager would have used the tartegrade. And Captain Ransom was doing something very, very different. He was trapping sentient subspace dolphins, murdering them, then cooking them down, and using their life juice to power his horror drive.
In Discovery, there seems to be a slight disconnect between the VFX, and the script/actors on set. Burnham sees the Tartegrade suffering, screaming, and we all see it too, but no one else seems to notice. We find out in episode 5, that they've been continuing to make spore jumps, and continue to torture manbearpig. Burnham feels the guilt. The rest of the crew doesn't, and not because they are cruel, but because they don't seem to notice what's in front of them(because the VFX team has not yet added the screaming cgi creature).
What's Lorca gonna say when he finds out Burnham freed the creature?
In Discovery, there seems to be a slight disconnect between the VFX, and the script/actors on set. Burnham sees the Tartegrade suffering, screaming, and we all see it too, but no one else seems to notice. We find out in episode 5, that they've been continuing to make spore jumps, and continue to torture manbearpig. Burnham feels the guilt. The rest of the crew doesn't, and not because they are cruel, but because they don't seem to notice what's in front of them(because the VFX team has not yet added the screaming cgi creature).
What's Lorca gonna say when he finds out Burnham freed the creature?
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I find this article amusing:
https://www.inverse.com/article/36807-star-trek-discovery-timeline-uniforms-canon
Apparently the novel "Star Trek: Discovery: Desperate Hours" not only features generous use of the colon in its title but it also features a meeting of the crew of the Pike-era Enterprise and the Shenzhou. However, in trying to explain why the Discovery-era folks look different from Pike's ship, they make things a bit worse for the Discovery producers in their choice of such a different aesthetic for the show.
Why is that? Apparently Starfleet employs different uniforms and different ship designs simultaneously.
That's right-- your uniform can be RADICALLY different depending upon which ship you are assigned.
This also means that there is ZERO reason that we won't see Pike-era TOS style uniforms in the series now.
https://www.inverse.com/article/36807-star-trek-discovery-timeline-uniforms-canon
Apparently the novel "Star Trek: Discovery: Desperate Hours" not only features generous use of the colon in its title but it also features a meeting of the crew of the Pike-era Enterprise and the Shenzhou. However, in trying to explain why the Discovery-era folks look different from Pike's ship, they make things a bit worse for the Discovery producers in their choice of such a different aesthetic for the show.
Why is that? Apparently Starfleet employs different uniforms and different ship designs simultaneously.
That's right-- your uniform can be RADICALLY different depending upon which ship you are assigned.
This also means that there is ZERO reason that we won't see Pike-era TOS style uniforms in the series now.
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. If the TOS style uniforms were unique to the Constitution class, they why are the universally worn at Starbases, starfleet command, etc.
Discovery is going to have TOS style uniforms show up this season. Hopefully this isn't an explanation used in the show. I'd rather that they just switched at some point.
Discovery is going to have TOS style uniforms show up this season. Hopefully this isn't an explanation used in the show. I'd rather that they just switched at some point.
What they said was the Cage style uniforms are unique to the Constitutions in the 2250s. After 2265 it seems Starfleet change the uniform to what is the more well known TOS uniform and it seems fleet wide. It could be that Kirk's mission to the edge of the galaxy (and happening to find out what happened to the Valiant) was probably during the last year that Starfleet used Cage style uniforms, and possibly the last time they keep ship specific uniforms. They kept operation/assignment type uniform patches for another decade (into the 2270s) perhaps before the maroon uniforms started to come into use and the Starfleet Delta with stuff around it became the standard from them on.
If we're to take "The Cage" look seriously as being concurrent to DSC, surely we have to do the same for content as well.
So Captain Pike really is a sexist prick who isn't comfortable with women on his bridge?
Okay.
So Captain Pike really is a sexist prick who isn't comfortable with women on his bridge?
Okay.
...Why wouldn't it be okay? I mean, we're currently enjoying a prick in the center chair, too. Nothing wrong with being a prick, in terms of entertainment value.
The 2009 movie and its sequels did good work in showing how the classic tricolor uniforms are what one wears only aboard ships and never in public - and that the more formal wear looks utterly unlike the tricolors. Add to this the TNG precedent that some starship skippers go for formal wear while others go for casual or a mix, and the only thing left as an exercise to the audience is why the skippers of three different ships (Shenzhou, Yeager, Discovery) would all insist on formal wear.
Of course, odds are the Yeager is a fictional entry in this particular respect, and Tyler's uniform would be tailored (heh) to match Lorca's expectations and nothing else. So the question goes, are Lorca's expectations easily predictable, i.e. how statistically likely is the formal wear in the end?
Timo Saloniemi
The 2009 movie and its sequels did good work in showing how the classic tricolor uniforms are what one wears only aboard ships and never in public - and that the more formal wear looks utterly unlike the tricolors. Add to this the TNG precedent that some starship skippers go for formal wear while others go for casual or a mix, and the only thing left as an exercise to the audience is why the skippers of three different ships (Shenzhou, Yeager, Discovery) would all insist on formal wear.
Of course, odds are the Yeager is a fictional entry in this particular respect, and Tyler's uniform would be tailored (heh) to match Lorca's expectations and nothing else. So the question goes, are Lorca's expectations easily predictable, i.e. how statistically likely is the formal wear in the end?
Timo Saloniemi
I don't think Chris Hunter's version of Pike would fit into the world of Discovery. 1960's sexism in 2017's version of 2256 doesn't go.
Using the Tardigrade DNA was in violation of Anti-Eugenic laws according to the last episode. Now knowing Lorca hes going to ignore that completely, but that is another reason against using the drive.
Using the DNA was not a problem. Using it on a human was.
Supposedly, using it on a thing that doesn't mind would make it perfectly okay. The choices are a dumb animal that doesn't suffer and therefore skips the consent issues, or a sapient person who isn't affected by the Eugenics laws.
Possibilities for the latter abound. As far as we know, the law only applies on humans; just inject an Andorian. Even if it covers more than humans, though, it doesn't affect the government (which is free to experiment in, say, "Unnatural Selection"), and Starfleet could be given a waiver. Or then the law could be rewritten, even if we know that some aspects of it still hold as late as DS9.
Really, "it's illegal" is never a valid argument, because laws can be changed. We must go down to the practical reasons for why something should be illegal - and something practical and tangible no doubt is the route the writers will take anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
Supposedly, using it on a thing that doesn't mind would make it perfectly okay. The choices are a dumb animal that doesn't suffer and therefore skips the consent issues, or a sapient person who isn't affected by the Eugenics laws.
Possibilities for the latter abound. As far as we know, the law only applies on humans; just inject an Andorian. Even if it covers more than humans, though, it doesn't affect the government (which is free to experiment in, say, "Unnatural Selection"), and Starfleet could be given a waiver. Or then the law could be rewritten, even if we know that some aspects of it still hold as late as DS9.
Really, "it's illegal" is never a valid argument, because laws can be changed. We must go down to the practical reasons for why something should be illegal - and something practical and tangible no doubt is the route the writers will take anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
Janeway broke the temporal prime directive to get her crew home a little earlier than they were supposed to. I don't think anti-augment laws are gonna stop her.
I think the OP needs to look up the definition of the word "discrepancy" because it doesn't match any of his/her complaints.
Brilliant!
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