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No they won't. Even the CBS people have better sense than that.

Maybe.

Okay. Maybe not.

I don't mean to say that they would want exact duplicates of those shows, but that they would probably be looking at what makes both TNG and Voyager so popular to make people re-watch them so often on netflix. It might be that they decide that Discovery needs more stand alone stories, or more stories that focus on action/adventure and science fiction concepts. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
 
Vger, you're not saying it, but many others are. This is one of those message board phenomena where someone thinks they're being addressed when actually, it's others who are posting the challenged material. I could remedy this by going back and quoting the text to which I was responding, and perhaps I will in the future, if only to spare you! :hugegrin:

Now, to your point, I respectfully disagree. I think you're looking at where Abrams went with his stuff before he got distracted by the shiny Star Wars object, and seeing where DISC went, and drawing a conclusion that isn't there. Since we know each other from the TOS board, you know I love it, and I've probably mentioned over there that it's far and away my favorite. But I think audiences would respond very well to a high-quality, well-written science fiction series with the ST nameplate set in some period of time post-Voyager and Nemesis. The "TNG Trio" didn't stay on air for 21 combined seasons by accident. Netflix viewing data bears this out, as does the now almost comical failure of the prequel/reboot concept on both the silver and small screens. I believe the message of the general public is unmistakable - do not want.

You may work for Paramount/CBS; I do not. Accordingly, I don't have any idea what the suits there want or think the public wants, but I bet they're catching on now. And again, I doubt any suit thinks the TNG era is played out because of characteristics endemic to that part of the in-universe timeline. If they do feel that way, it's probably because they got as tired of Jeri's catsuits as Kate (and probably Jeri) did, and had enough of the preposteronic pulse being funneled through the deflector array. My answer to this is simple: return to that era for about a dozen highly sensible reasons and subvert or eliminate the last three series' tropes. (I myself wanted to throw something every time someone on DS9 had to hold forth about what kind of raktajino they just ordered. JUST SHUT UP ALREADY! :lol:)

They can make a series like TOS without setting it twelve minutes before TOS starts, then hiring a bunch of hacks who have no idea how to contend with the obvious resulting problems. My suggestion is fixing the TOS homage within the quality of the writing and development of the characters, not by setting the darn series right next to TOS in the timeline. :techman:

Gotcha!

And, to be clear, I agree with you that it could be done, and even might be a desirable direction in my personal opinion. I'm not so convinced it would market as well...but I'm also not thinking it would be DOA either.

I'm just convinced that these are the forces and attitudes that are preventing it from happening at this time in our history.
 
Pretend that STD is set after Voyager and you're fine. None of these are real time periods, and the shows are all the same - some better, some worse.

It's actually funny, because that's what I had to do from about 20 minutes into "The Vulcan Hello" (oof, the flashing warning sign conveyed by that title). I realized that these jokers weren't going to act like this was really ten years before TOS, so neither would I. That made the series marginally enjoyable through the Mudd ep, which was very fun and tightly-written. I even enjoyed the initial Mirror ep or two because they remembered to mention the Defiant and Isaacs was so good. Then the writing got so awful that it crashed through the protective mental shielding I'd constructed and here we are! :wah:
 
Look, can we all just agree on one thing....whatever they do, it better be the mostest woke series in the history of history...or I will boycott vehemently and write several strongly worded letters to people.
 
Vger, you're not saying it, but many others are. This is one of those message board phenomena where someone thinks they're being addressed when actually, it's others who are posting the challenged material. I could remedy this by going back and quoting the text to which I was responding, and perhaps I will in the future, if only to spare you! :hugegrin:

Now, to your point, I respectfully disagree. I think you're looking at where Abrams went with his stuff before he got distracted by the shiny Star Wars object, and seeing where DISC went, and drawing a conclusion that isn't there. Since we know each other from the TOS board, you know I love it, and I've probably mentioned over there that it's far and away my favorite. But I think audiences would respond very well to a high-quality, well-written science fiction series with the ST nameplate set in some period of time post-Voyager and Nemesis. The "TNG Trio" didn't stay on air for 21 combined seasons by accident. Netflix viewing data bears this out, as does the now almost comical failure of the prequel/reboot concept on both the silver and small screens. I believe the message of the general public is unmistakable - do not want.

You may work for Paramount/CBS; I do not. Accordingly, I don't have any idea what the suits there want or think the public wants, but I bet they're catching on now. And again, I doubt any suit thinks the TNG era is played out because of characteristics endemic to that part of the in-universe timeline. If they do feel that way, it's probably because they got as tired of Jeri's catsuits as Kate (and probably Jeri) did, and had enough of the preposteronic pulse being funneled through the deflector array. My answer to this is simple: return to that era for about a dozen highly sensible reasons and subvert or eliminate the last three series' tropes. (I myself wanted to throw something every time someone on DS9 had to hold forth about what kind of raktajino they just ordered. JUST SHUT UP ALREADY! :lol:)

They can make a series like TOS without setting it twelve minutes before TOS starts, then hiring a bunch of hacks who have no idea how to contend with the obvious resulting problems. My suggestion is fixing the TOS homage within the quality of the writing and development of the characters, not by setting the darn series right next to TOS in the timeline. :techman:

Existing fans would obviously respond well to a post-voy series, but I'm on the fence as to whether newcomers would. I think it would all be in the execution and how accessible it is to people with little to no familiarity of existing star trek.

Star trek being in the 24th century for 21 seasons was the reason Enterprise was a prequel. At the time the franschise was suffering from major fatigue. I spent a lot of time in trek chatrooms back then and the general consensus at the time was that Trek needed a break. Now that time has passed and it's been 20 years since we last visited the 24th century a series set in that time period could work, and clearly if you go by netflix data there is a great deal of interest in it, but again it would all be in the execution.
 
A lot of these are reasons I'd love to just see a straight-up reboot. Since I don't care about the (illusion of the) "continuing story of Star Trek," to me it would be the best of both words.

Fresh slate, plenty of room to build and explore.
 
I don't mean to say that they would want exact duplicates of those shows, but that they would probably be looking at what makes both TNG and Voyager so popular to make people re-watch them so often on netflix. It might be that they decide that Discovery needs more stand alone stories, or more stories that focus on action/adventure and science fiction concepts. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
By they aren't "popular." They're simply the most viewed of the Star Trek series. Or at least Voyager is. I don't think TNG stands too far about the others.

And it's not like there's a specific reason why people who watch Netflix stuff on Netflix might have a reason to check out a few episodes of Voyager.

None at all...
 
By they aren't "popular." They're simply the most viewed of the Star Trek series. Or at least Voyager is. I don't think TNG stands too far about the others.

And it's not like there's a specific reason why people who watch Netflix stuff on Netflix might have a reason to check out a few episodes of Voyager.

None at all...

Sorry, I got dumb for a few seconds. Assuredly just temporary. What are you implying? That they're tuning in to see Jeri Ryan in those outfits?
 
By they aren't "popular." They're simply the most viewed of the Star Trek series. Or at least Voyager is. I don't think TNG stands too far about the others.

And it's not like there's a specific reason why people who watch Netflix stuff on Netflix might have a reason to check out a few episodes of Voyager.

None at all...

If something is getting a lot of clicks and a lot views that is generally a good sign that a lot of people like it. Having said that I often have one of the trek shows on as background noise, whilst arguing with people on here. So I do agree, that Netflix data is anecdotal in terms of actual popularity, but i can still see it being used for the purposes i previously stated.
 
By they aren't "popular." They're simply the most viewed of the Star Trek series. Or at least Voyager is. I don't think TNG stands too far about the others.

And it's not like there's a specific reason why people who watch Netflix stuff on Netflix might have a reason to check out a few episodes of Voyager.

None at all...
Given the random suggestions I get from my Netflix views, I don't know how accurate suggestions could be for tracking Star Trek fans.
 
One of the most popular characters in the entire Netflix catalog is played by Voyager's lead actor.

Ohhhhhhh. Interesting connection. I can see how you would conclude that given how Netflix's queue works, but I think many more people tune into Netflix generally than to watch any one of their specific original programs. Dunno.
 
Given the random suggestions I get from my Netflix views, I don't know how accurate suggestions could be for tracking Star Trek fans.
I don't understand why when Netflix does give its 'ratings' it offends people. Why are they are so hurt Voyager and TNG are popular. Being 'popular' is a numbers game and shows audience interest.
 
I don't understand why when Netflix does give its 'ratings' it offends people. Why are they are so hurt Voyager and TNG are popular. Being 'popular' is a numbers game and shows audience interest.
Hurt?

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