Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by EJD1984, May 15, 2019.
Used to love those cartoons.
And speaking of '30s cartoons: does anyone remember Bosco?
Thinks were pretty dark in the late 1960s. This is specifically what fueled the popularity of TOS. Its optimism was a salve for people who looked around and saw war, famine and unrest into the 70s, even as other visions of the future routinely cast different scenarios of our extinction.
I think the strength of TOS was that the Enterprise was very far away from Earth and the Federation, so that we didn't really have to get into what that utopia looked like, or if it was an actual utopia. The focus was on the ship and crew.
But, yes, Trek needs to meet the needs of each generation and must evolve accordingly, and we live in an age where ... [ redacted for politics] ... we probably can't leave all of that offscreen.
But I think, as Discovery did in its first season, the resolution, if not the serve, has to have an element of hope for it to be Star Trek. There was recently a thread on Twitter where people were ask what Star Trek meant to them, and the most common response, far and away, was "hope."
I think TOS showed us exactly enough that we know Earth and it's colonies was an Utopia - at least compared to present day, though still inhabited by very human humans - but not too much so that it actually had to explain how said Utopia works.
And to be quite frank - as far as optimistic outlooks for the future go - this one is the most realistic. With the technology of Star Trek, resources become a non-issue. And we, today, quite frankly have no fucking clue how a "post-scarcity society" would actually work in it's details. But also that the reason for most large-scale conflicts - limited ressources - would suddenly completely vanish.
So, personally I've never been a big fan of TNG's "humans have evolved"-explanation, where humans have become both physically and mentally superiour. But I DO believe that world peace, unification, and absolute freedom are possible in a post-scarcity society. And if that goes hand-in-hand with lots of good education, many if not most of todays evils could be almost entirely erradicated.
And "Star Trek" is really the only SF show with this worldview - other SF seems strangely obseesed with putting the present into the future - just with fancier props. (Which is often quite funny to watch if you look at, say 50s era, or 90s era SF )
After watching "Calypso" a couple of times, I was actually thinking that Craft and his people may be the bad guys, and that the V'draysh were actually still the loveable Feds
That may be the twist in the tale
Speaking of which how did Zora paint Craft's name on the back of the shuttle?
I thought that his name was painted on the back when the doors closed? Or was I just seeing things?
Flying Roombas. We saw them after the Culber/Tyler scuffle.
Oh cool those things can even decorate .... Handy
Hey guys, I was wondering...I think I'm on to something here..., do you think there's going to be a connection to Calypso in Season 3, given the time jump the crew has experienced?
I predict calypso will be kept in a holy exalted place not to be touched by the ongoing storyline, until the series ends. but I've been wrong about everything else so far
DSC tends to not put things off.
I think we will get hints about it but nothing directly connecting to it during the series.
We won't know until it actually airs.
As is, "Calypso" doesn't really fit - in that, the ship was adrift for 1000 years alone, not jumped to the future. And the jumping of point was "the present", aka the 23rd century. So neither the backstory nor the timeframe would exactly line up.
That being said, "Calypso" was a late addition - so I think there are going to be some elements being carried over, and all inconsistencies being the result of "early installment weirdness", in that they hadn't quite 100% figured out what they wanted to do at that point.
But there's also the prossibility the Federation won't appear at all - they jumped not only into the far future, but specifically into a region of space - near the New Ede colony - that is SO far away from Federation territory, it's impossible to reach without the spore drive.
If I had to guess - Season 3 will probably be so far away from Federation space that we never even see them. But there will be a human fraction. But they will be the descendants of the New Eden colony, and thus not the "regular" Star Trek humans, but maybe still religious or whatever.
Right now it's not matching up though. Calypso had Discovery actually waiting out 1,000 years for the crew, while Discovery show itself showed the ship time traveling 1,000 years into the future along with the crew. Hopefully this is addressed.
I was actually being sarcastic, as this theory has been floating for months now!
But, I'm really hoping they go in a different direction...!
They're going to do something that's Outside of the Box. The speculation here (including mine) is the textbook definition of The Box.
Don't worry, I did a sensible chuckle to your last post.
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