Discovery made under same licence as Kelvin Timeline?
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Is he the same Captain April who used to post here? He was the hater posterchild
Oh, I knew it! I knew that would happen!Fifteen or so years ago, the purist Trekkies were all denouncing Enterprise as "not real Trek" and an alternate timeline and so forth -- and I knew that once the next new thing (or things) came along some years down the road, the haters would end up counting ENT as part of the "real Trek" in contrast to the next new thing that they denounce as fake. Because that cycle happens every time -- every new incarnation is rejected by the purists at first, denounced by them as something that "true Trekkies" will never accept, but then fandom ends up accepting it anyway, and then the purists shift their hostility to the next new thing. 10-15 years from now, the purists will probably be going on about how the Kelvin films and Discovery were so much more authentic than whatever the next new incarnation is.
Some arguments for future haters:
- "At least the Kelvin films said they were set in an alternate timeline."
- "Why go forward into the 25th century? It's too advanced for a realistic Star Trek series."
- "Star Trek shows should have the name of the ship in the title."
-"What the-? The lead actor is over 40? That's too old."
Why, are you planning in selling coffee?
I remember him. Mainly from the Fan Art forums where as I recall he was doing detailed deck plans of the TOS Enterprise and unless I'm mistaken (apologies if I am), didn't he get into arguments with people over whether the bridge faced forwards or at an angle ala Frans Joseph's tech manuals from the 1970s? I wonder if he ever finished those deck plans?
I like it when this video pops up in threads. It is always followed by a very amusing conversation. I'm glad that while we may have our differences of opinion, we can at least come together and shit all over Midnight's Edge.
Sounds like the same twat. Anybody got a link?
Why, are you planning in selling coffee?
A license for my pet starship. Eric.
Found his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBA1VAgfyujyCIVNwT1eARQ
It's a cringe and a half.
Its him alright, I remember at one point he had his face as his avatar and that image of him, superimposed on William Shatner from 'WNHGB' on his 'About' tab is definitely the same bloke.
Enterprise IS an alternate timeline, created by the events of Star Trek: First Contact, and leading up to the Kelvinverse.Oh, I knew it! I knew that would happen!
It's still REAL Trek, though - screw the haters. 
As awful as it was, "These Are the Voyages" makes it explicit that ENT was meant to be the same timeline that led to TNG, and therefore to TOS, TAS, DS9, and VGR.
Some people use that as an excuse to say the entire series was a holoprogram and not 100% accurate.
Which is an incredibly dumb argument.
Don't be ridiculous. If anything, "These Are The Voyages" proves ENT *is* a divergent timeline. It leads to a future where Riker and Troi were older and heavier than they were during the events surrounding the recovery of the Pegasus as we saw them on TNG.
That's their own interpretation after the fact. I'm talking about what TATV reveals about the intentions of ENT's creators, Rick Berman & Brannon Braga. Since they wrote that episode themselves, it reflects their view of the nature of the series they created. It proves that they always meant the show to be in the same timeline as the other shows -- as do all the other fourth-season episodes that set up the TOS universe as we know it, like the Vulcan Civil War arc and the Klingon Augment arc.
There's also the fact that tie-in authors like me are required to keep our books consistent with canon, with employees of CBS vetting our proposals and manuscripts to ensure they don't conflict with the official interpretation of the universe. In the books, we routinely depict ENT as part of the same timeline as the previous shows, and nobody at CBS has ever told us we were wrong to do so. So what individual viewers believe is beside the point. Both the creators of the show and the official keepers of its continuity have clearly established that they consider ENT, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, and VGR to represent a single consistent timeline. Individual fans may choose to interpret it differently in the privacy of their own minds, but it's only their own revisionist take, not a correct assessment of the creators' intentions.
Fanthink at it's fanthinkiest.
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