Discovery is being “overshadowed" by The Orville

[VOODOOXI]

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/cult...r-shadowed-seth-macfarlane-spoof-the-orville/

Interesting article that suggests that Discovery is being overshadowed by Seth Macfarlane’s new ST spoof The Orville.

The article goes on to state that the “buzz of Star Trek: Discovery has been relatively muted" and that the new series is “in danger of being overshadowed” by the highly rated (11.3 million viewers for it’s debut, which was Fox’s highest rated launch in two years) Orville.

"Concerns were raised further when CBS announced the show wouldn’t be on network television. Instead, it will be available on their subscription-based CBS All Access service in the US, and Netflix in the rest of the world. Some feel this is ‘side-lining’ such a classic franchise as Star Trek."

I think the author is onto something here. It was a bad move to present a new Star Trek series on such a limited platform. I don’t know anyone who is excited about this new show, nor do I know anyone who plans on paying for CBS All Access...This could be an amazing series, but what good is it if nobody watches it after it’s debut on broadcast tv?

 

[Borgminister]

Netflix is global.

 

[MvRojo]

The article is written with a slight agenda. He makes it sound like the streaming thing was a late decision, after Bryan Fuller was fired.

 

[Spider]

If Orville is better than Discovery, then Discovery deserves to die. The only way Orville takes the steam out of Discovery's sails is if it's a flop, which I don't think will happen.

 

[Sophie74656]

Personally, I'm one of those who will not be paying for CBS. The previews I've seen of Discovery are not looking good to me. I was much more excited for The Orville that I was/am for Discovery.

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/cult...r-shadowed-seth-macfarlane-spoof-the-orville/

Interesting article that suggests that Discovery is being overshadowed by Seth Macfarlane’s new ST spoof The Orville.

The article goes on to state that the “buzz of Star Trek: Discovery has been relatively muted" and that the new series is “in danger of being overshadowed” by the highly rated (11.3 million viewers for it’s debut, which was Fox’s highest rated launch in two years) Orville.

"Concerns were raised further when CBS announced the show wouldn’t be on network television. Instead, it will be available on their subscription-based CBS All Access service in the US, and Netflix in the rest of the world. Some feel this is ‘side-lining’ such a classic franchise as Star Trek."

I think the author is onto something here. It was a bad move to present a new Star Trek series on such a limited platform. I don’t know anyone who is excited about this new show, nor do I know anyone who plans on paying for CBS All Access...This could be an amazing series, but what good is it if nobody watches it after it’s debut on broadcast tv?

Inews? Lol. I wouldn't worry about it

 

[VOODOOXI]

Netflix is global.

That is true. I was writing as a viewer in the United States.

If Discovery was on a service like Netflix in the US it would be worth purchasing as Netflix offers some value for your money, but who wants to pay for one possibly interesting series (Discovery) and a lot of crappy sitcoms and reality programs that you would actually have to pay me to sit and watch?

I just don’t see the value in paying for one program (that may or may not be good) and I hate the idea of being held hostage by some corporate suits who demand that I pay to watch ST..I for one will not be paying to watch Discovery.

 

[Vger23]

Thank God someone has finally initiated a discussion about whether or not it was a good idea for CBS to limit access to Star Trek Discovery to only streaming.

The Orville is moderately entertaining / charming by my view. Fun? Yes. Something I care about? No, not really. I didn't even watch episode 2. Just because...whatever...I don't really care.

But there's no way in hell I miss a Star Trek Discovery "airing" during the first season. If it's no good...I'll cash out after that. But there's a huge difference in how I care about / feel about Star Trek and how I view light fare like "The Orville."

 

[Borgminister]

That is true. I was writing as a viewer in the United States.

If Discovery was on a service like Netflix in the US it would be worth purchasing as Netflix offers some value for your money, but who wants to pay for one possibly interesting series (Discovery) and a lot of crappy sitcoms and reality programs that you would actually have to pay me to sit and watch?

I just don’t see the value in paying for one program (that may or may not be good) and I hate the idea of being held hostage by some corporate suits who demand that I pay to watch ST..I for one will not be paying to watch Discovery.

Yeah, I hate the model they've set up. Would've been far better to have it be universally on Netflix, but capitalism is not about sharing, it's about making as much money as you can. They're "banking" on people shelling out 6 bucks a month (or 10 minus commercials) for the pleasure of having a new Trek show.

I'm one of the suckers.

 

[MvRojo]

That is true. I was writing as a viewer in the United States.

If Discovery was on a service like Netflix in the US it would be worth purchasing as Netflix offers some value for your money, but who wants to pay for one possibly interesting series (Discovery) and a lot of crappy sitcoms and reality programs that you would actually have to pay me to sit and watch?

I just don’t see the value in paying for one program (that may or may not be good) and I hate the idea of being held hostage by some corporate suits who demand that I pay to watch ST..I for one will not be paying to watch Discovery.

While there are definitely people who don't want to pay and don't like the content, there are lots of people who are willing to pay for it. Hell, CAA had over a million viewers before they even had original content. Streaming services have to start somewhere and having a huge catalog of CBS and Paramount television isn't a terrible library to start with.

 

[Vger23]

That is true. I was writing as a viewer in the United States.

If Discovery was on a service like Netflix in the US it would be worth purchasing as Netflix offers some value for your money, but who wants to pay for one possibly interesting series (Discovery) and a lot of crappy sitcoms and reality programs that you would actually have to pay me to sit and watch?

I just don’t see the value in paying for one program (that may or may not be good) and I hate the idea of being held hostage by some corporate suits who demand that I pay to watch ST..I for one will not be paying to watch Discovery.

Nobody's demanding you do anything. Nobody's holding anyone "hostage." You simply have a choice to make about your hard-earned $6.

Stick to your principles...I'm sure CBSAA and Discovery will go down in burning flames as a result.

If anyone thinks that this Trekkie "us against the man" attitude is going to force CBS to re-think their strategy...you haven't been paying attention for the last 10 years.

 

[ozzfloyd]

That is true. I was writing as a viewer in the United States.

If Discovery was on a service like Netflix in the US it would be worth purchasing as Netflix offers some value for your money, but who wants to pay for one possibly interesting series (Discovery) and a lot of crappy sitcoms and reality programs that you would actually have to pay me to sit and watch?

I just don’t see the value in paying for one program (that may or may not be good) and I hate the idea of being held hostage by some corporate suits who demand that I pay to watch ST..I for one will not be paying to watch Discovery.

I HATE having to pay for my entertainment!!! *sarcasm

 

[PixelMagic]

I think it's a mistake to only air one episode on CBS. Can you hook someone on a show with just one episode? Eh, not really. But if you show the first 3 episodes on TV, then people might be hooked by then and sign up for CBS All Access.

If Star Trek Discovery doesn't have over 11 million viewers for Sunday night...well, then people are as stupid as I already thought they were.

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, I hate the model they've set up. Would've been far better to have it be universally on Netflix, but capitalism is not about sharing, it's about making as much money as you can. They're "banking" on people shelling out 6 bucks a month (or 10 minus commercials) for the pleasure of having a new Trek show.

I'm one of the suckers.

But it's not being a "sucker." You've made an assessment of what the value of entertainment is to you, and you've paid that value.

If I can spend $100 on a universal remote TOS phaser from the Wand Co. and $100 on a refit USS Enterprise toy from Diamond Select, and $300 on gold member passes to a Trek convention...$6 / month is chump change for a brand-new frigging show.

It's simply a matter of value and priorities.

I'm a Star Trek fan. I'm not angry or disgruntled. I'm not a negative miserable nitpicker. So...for me...this is about as easy of a purchase decision that I'll make this year. If it's no good...subscription cancelled and no harm done.

 

[Sophie74656]

If Discovery would be on Netflix or Hulu I'd give it a shot. But since the trailers don't look interesting to me at all I'm not spending anything on an extra serivice.

 

[Sophie74656]

But it's not being a "sucker." You've made an assessment of what the value of entertainment is to you, and you've paid that value.

If I can spend $100 on a universal remote TOS phaser from the Wand Co. and $100 on a refit USS Enterprise toy from Diamond Select, and $300 on gold member passes to a Trek convention...$6 / month is chump change for a brand-new frigging show.

It's simply a matter of value and priorities.

I'm a Star Trek fan. I'm not angry or disgruntled. I'm not a negative miserable nitpicker. So...for me...this is about as easy of a purchase decision that I'll make this year. If it's no good...subscription cancelled and no harm done.

It's all about what is important for YOU. I don't want to spend $6 a month for a serivce for a show I don't want to watch, but I spend about that much on a cup of coffee from Starbucks a few times a month.

 

[Vger23]

I think it's a mistake to only air one episode on CBS. Can you hook someone on a show with just one episode? Eh, not really. But if you show the first 3 episodes on TV, then people might be hooked by then and sign up for CBS All Access.

If Star Trek Discovery doesn't have over 11 million viewers for Sunday night...well, then people are as stupid as I already thought they were.

What people, the ones who don't watch or the ones making the decisions on how to market the show?

Cuz, you know, the studio people who make these decisions do this shit for a living. They have access to mountains and mountains of data and nobody at one of these studios takes a leak without a thorough market analysis.

 

[PixelMagic]

What people, the ones who don't watch or the ones making the decisions on how to market the show?

Cuz, you know, the studio people who make these decisions do this shit for a living. They have access to mountains and mountains of data and nobody at one of these studios takes a leak without a thorough market analysis.

Doesn't take mountains of data to come to the conclusion someone is going to be more invested after 3 episodes than just checking out a pilot.

Also, I work in TV marketing for a living. lol

As far as what I meant by stupid people, I was referring to the general populace. If a knuckle dragging toliet humor Trek ripoff can pull in 11 million viewers and Star Trek Discovery cannot...well, that's sad.

 

[Vger23]

It's all about what is important for YOU. I don't want to spend $6 a month for a serivce for a show I don't want to watch, but I spend about that much on a cup of coffee from Starbucks a few times a month.

Isn't that what I just said??

I mean, if a cup of coffee is more important to you than a franchise you're supposed to be a fan of...I'm not sure how to read that.

But, that's a choice everyone needs to make. For me, it's really frigging simple. Even if I'm only lukewarm about what I've seen...I'm a Star Trek fan. I ain't going to sit back and dig my heels in while a new show airs. That's about as self-defeating an approach as I can think of. I'd much rather believe that the show has the possibility of being really good and entertaining. In my mind, the RISK would be in NOT watching it and that it develops into something special. There's absolutely no risk whatsoever in my signing up for AA to see the show and make that determination. Not sure how anyone could assess things differently...but again...that's a personal decision for all to make.

My suspicion is that the resistance from most people has little to do with "disinterest" or "inability to spend $" and far more to do with a misplaced sense of principle over paying the $6. It's about sending the "Evil Man" a message.

If that's the case...you will not find ears that are more deaf.

 

[BillJ]

Without taking off my socks and shoes for fancy math. I'm figuring there are at least two hours in any given week. Discovery and The Orville can co-exist. If both are entertaining, they will both likely draw the viewers needed to stay in production.