Discovery at SDCC - Consolidated Thread

[{ Emilia }]

They've also made Star Trek 09 look less bad by comparison (and I hate ST09 about as much as I like ST Beyond, and I really like that movie). They have made the worst "Prime Timeline" thing ever. Worse then Any Enterprise episode, worse then the bad movies (even Insurrection, which I honestly might hate even more then stuff like A Night in Sickbay). So, yeah, when it comes to being shit they have surpassed any reasonably expectation of crap. They are the Masters of shitty Star Trek, mostly because they seem to have a bigger level of disdain for the source material then JJ Abrams did.

I've criticized quite a few design decisions (including the Klingon look) and there are also other things that don't excite me a lot. But this amount of negativity is truly astonishing. You haven't seen a single episode but it's already "the worst prime timeline thing ever". So much hate.

 

[tomalak301]

Look what CBS All Access did for fans at SDCC

https://twitter.com/InverseReality/status/888843698338881537

@InverseReality 19h19 hours ago
Thanks @StarTrek team for the awesome gifts and super fun #SDCC2017 #StarTrekDiscovery #TrekDiscovery scavenger hunt!

I hope they do something like that at STLV. I'm going to that and would love not to go home empty handed.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Trailer looks fantastic. I am sufficiently hyped.

I'm seeing some contradictory reports on whether Burnham is Amanda Grayson's daughter by birth. It seems ComicBook.com and ScreenRant.com ran with the official twitter statement and think she is. Meanwhile, I actively transcribed TrekMovie's liveblog accounting of the SDCC panel for another site (NeoGAF) and according to them -- as well as TrekCore -- both of Burnham's parents were killed and she's the adoptive sister, not "half-sister", of Spock.

 

[kirk55555]

I've criticized quite a few design decisions (including the Klingon look) and there are also other things that don't excite me a lot. But this amount of negativity is truly astonishing. You haven't seen a single episode but it's already "the worst prime timeline thing ever". So much hate.

Between the "Klingons" and Sarek's super secret kid #2, there is nothing to save the show. Since its being produced by the hack that co-wrote my most hated ST thing (Star Trek 09), I'm really, really not shocked that its so crap. I wanted it to be good, and like I said I think the lead to do a great job in a good show. But this is just reminding me of 09 in that its made by people who obviously don't even like Star Trek, along with people who are just bad at their jobs (seriously, the designers should never be allowed to work in the entertainment industry ever again).

At least the Berman & Braga era had decent designers working for them, and Enterprise itself had a few good things, like (for a completely random example) the episodes explaining why the Klingon's look different in the TOS era. That now seems incomplete because it doesn't explain how diseased looking mutant blob klingons came about, or why the Klingon Empire's tech mutated along with their bodies in the years between Enterprise and Discovery and then transformed back in time for TOS and stuff that came after. Outside of the in universe perspective, I'd also like to know what level of not giving a crap leads to someone accepting those designs.

If the show had more positive aspects, I'd be more positive. As it is, a few Federation ship designs and decent casting for the humans doesn't overcome the terrible things.

 

[{ Emilia }]

nothing to save the show...produced by the hack...my most hated ST thing...so crap...made by people who obviously don't even like Star Trek...people who are just bad at their jobs...should never be allowed to work in the entertainment industry ever again...terrible things...

I think you've made your point.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Ah, I see what's going on here. Those two sites I mentioned took the idea that Burnham is Grayson's daughter by birth and ran with it, and now some sites are full of fans in panic mode over it (because of course). It was directly refuted by the Star Trek Writing Staff twitter account soon thereafter, but folks aren't seeing that.

 

[captainkirk]

Between the "Klingons" and Sarek's super secret kid #2, there is nothing to save the show.

Those things make it inconsistent, but that doesn't make it bad.

But this is just reminding me of 09 in that its made by people who obviously don't even like Star Trek, along with people who are just bad at their jobs (seriously, the designers should never be allowed to work in the entertainment industry ever again).

So highly successful designer Neville Page who's been chosen to work with J.J. Abrams, Ridley Scott, and James Cameron should never be allowed to work again? Like you hate his designs so much that there should be a law against him having a job?

it doesn't explain how diseased looking mutant blob klingons came about, or why the Klingon Empire's tech mutated along with their bodies in the years between Enterprise and Discovery and then transformed back in time for TOS and stuff that came after.

They came up with one convoluted explanation, they can come up with another.

 

[kirk55555]

So highly successful designer Neville Page who's been chosen to work with J.J. Abrams, Ridley Scott, and James Cameron should never be allowed to work again? Like you hate his designs so much that there should be a law against him having a job?

Wikipedia and IMDB don't list Discovery as something that guy is working on, so I don't know why you broguht him up. But, looking at the movies he's worked on, it would be no great loss. Heck, being the guy who was "lead creature designer" for Green Lantern probably should have ended his career Besides that, all the movies he's worked on are things I think had fairly mediocre to bad design, like Prometheus and Cloverfield. Basically the only decent thing he's done design wise in my opinion is TRON Legacy.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The Klingon Empire's tech mutated along with their bodies in the years between Enterprise and Discovery and then transformed back in time for TOS and stuff that came after.

Klingons have always been "bumpy". These look like Klingons to me. In fact, I think they look like the Klingons from TOS. Yep. And TMP, and TSFS, TVH, TFF, TUC, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT. And if you want to add ST09 and STiD, those work too. What changed between those things (and even WITHIN those things) is make-up technique and technology -- OUT OF UNIVERSE.

But in-Universe, Klingons have been, are, and will be bumpy forehead kinda aliens... no matter what drivel ENT thought up to feel the need to "explain" a one-off writer's gag. Jeez, I wish wish wish that whole augment virus thing never never made it to see the light of day.

 

[Tuskin38]

But in-Universe, Klingons have been, are, and will be bumpy forehead kinda aliens... no matter what drivel ENT thought up to explain a writer's gag. Jeez, I wish wish wish that whole augment virus thing never never made it to see the light of day.

Blame DS9 as well.

 

[Michael]

Honestly, I've given up on just about any fandom there is. Most are mostly screaming at everything that is bad in their respective fandom, and I'm effing done with it. Adults whining and complaining like some bunch of mewling children. Star Trek fans are the worst. 'That isn't canon.' 'That looks wrong.' 'That doesn't satisfy my fanboy right of gratification!!!' 'You are not giving me what I deserve as a life long fan!!'

Just shut the f*** up!!!! I really only check out the Trekbbs for two things: The TrekLit forum, and seeing if there is news on Discovery and the Kelvin timeline movies. Other than that, I'm done. This is bad, this was wrong, TPTB should have done this.....

Just.....no. No. Go home.Stay away. Fans are killing fandoms.

I'm so with you on this one. Some fans' reactions are just out there. The amount of hate and negativity people can muster up about this is astonishing. I can only hope the writers never take anything they read online too seriously. This fandom as a whole doesn't really know what it wants. It makes really no sense to listen to them, just do your own thing as a writer.

 

[mos6507]

So highly successful designer Neville Page who's been chosen to work with J.J. Abrams, Ridley Scott, and James Cameron should never be allowed to work again? Like you hate his designs so much that there should be a law against him having a job?

He's done good work for other franchises but should be kept away from Trek under pain of death.

 

[captainkirk]

Wikipedia and IMDB don't list Discovery as something that guy is working on, so I don't know why you broguht him up.

Because he is working on Discovery. He's tweeted about it several times. The DSC Klingons are based on unused designs from STID:

 

[Galaxy]

The DSC Klingons are based on unused designs from STID:

That is one thing I find a bit odd. Apparently that is the case with Saru as well. I mean they are on separate licenses, and I would presume that Paramount would be a bit pissed that CBS is using things created on their dime.

 

[Longinus]

Apart from the elongated back of skulls the some of them seem to have (and oddly, just some of them) the basic make up looks good. It's just that combined with the baldness and gothic armour they look more like space vampires than Klingons (the paler ones in particular.) Giving these guys some hair would instantly make them look more feral and, at least to me, more klingonesque.

 

[Longinus]

That is one thing I find a bit odd. Apparently that is the case with Saru as well. I mean they are on separate licenses, and I would presume that Paramount would be a bit pissed that CBS is using things created on their dime.

It is quite possible, even likely, that the original licence granted to Paramount for the movies stipulates that CBS gets access to all the assets created using that licence.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, CBS owns the Kelvin Timeline movies. Paramount is just using the license.

 

[Galaxy]

Yeah, CBS owns the Kelvin Timeline movies. Paramount is just using the license.

That is not what I heard. The novels (Pocket Books) are not allowed to use events mentioned in the Kelvin Timeline (e.g. destruction of Romulus) because this is not on their CBS license.

 

[Tuskin38]

That is not what I heard. The novels (Pocket Books) are not allowed to use events mentioned in the Kelvin Timeline (e.g. destruction of Romulus) because this is not on their CBS license.

CBS owns everything related to Star Trek. The KT movies are even mentioned as part of their properties on their consumer products page.

They just didn't include the movies as part of their Pocket Books license.

Paramount probably has some sort of exclusivity deal with CBS.

 

[Ralphis]

It is quite possible, even likely, that the original licence granted to Paramount for the movies stipulates that CBS gets access to all the assets created using that licence.

One thing to keep in mind is that while CBS and Paramount do operate as separate companies, they still have the same parent company. So I imagine it's probably a little easier for them to share intellectual property than it would for entities like Disney and 20 Century Fox, for example. The CBS/Paramount relationship is closer to something like KFC and Taco Bell.