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Then, until the time comes that she's given a name or lines that make it impossible to rationalize her being anyone other then J. Mia Colt from "The Cage," I guess the problem has been averted.
(Wonder why they decided to make such a blatant change in the first place?)
[Edit: have seen some of the interviews which stated Colt was the spiky alien and they're kind of vague on the subject/]
I've finally finished watching the season, and it's weird to me that the one thing we're obsessing over at this point is whether some bit player is Colt or not. What about something like, oh, whether the season is still reconcilable with the novelverse version of Control?
The novels already established that Control periodically sets up Section 31's "exposure" and downfall as a red herring so that it can continue to operate in secret. Dave showed it doing that in the 24th century and I implied that it was behind S31's first downfall in the 22nd; so we can easily assume that this was the 23rd-century equivalent, and that the threat-assessment program called Control here was a red herring spinoff program of the real one, or perhaps an experimental offshoot that went rogue.
Meanwhile, jumping the show to the 32nd century should help keep the novels relatively safe from future contradictions, unless they, say, reveal that the Tzenkethi look and act totally different than in the novels, or something like that. Although there's still the Picard series and the Section 31 series to worry about.
One cool detail: In one episode, we saw a late-night mess hall scene where a couple of little floating robots were cleaning up the place, repositioning chairs, and such; and in the finale, we saw some implausibly cute hull-repair drones operating outside the ship. The absence of onscreen robots in Trek has long been bizarre to me, but I think it's been implied on occasion that there are maintenance and repair robots operating behind the scenes. At least, the TNG Enterprise was presumed to be "self-cleaning" in some way. So I like the idea that maintenance drones of this sort have always been around, just never focused on because they generally operate when nobody's present. Don't be surprised if you see a mention of something of the sort in one of my future novels.
I'm thinking the Colt thing must just be a mistake, because not only is she suddenly an alien, but she's also in a blue uniform and every other Yeoman we ever saw in the red/blue/gold era was in a red uniform, and we saw her operating a bridge station, which I don't think we ever saw a Yeoman do in TOS. So there's a lot more evidence that it's not Colt, or at least not the same Colt we saw in The Cage/The Menagerie.
It will be interesting to see if @JJMiller discusses any of this in The Enterprise War.
I've finally finished watching the season, and it's weird to me that the one thing we're obsessing over at this point is whether some bit player is Colt or not. What about something like, oh, whether the season is still reconcilable with the novelverse version of Control?
The novels already established that Control periodically sets up Section 31's "exposure" and downfall as a red herring so that it can continue to operate in secret. Dave showed it doing that in the 24th century and I implied that it was behind S31's first downfall in the 22nd; so we can easily assume that this was the 23rd-century equivalent, and that the threat-assessment program called Control here was a red herring spinoff program of the real one, or perhaps an experimental offshoot that went rogue.
Meanwhile, jumping the show to the 32nd century should help keep the novels relatively safe from future contradictions, unless they, say, reveal that the Tzenkethi look and act totally different than in the novels, or something like that. Although there's still the Picard series and the Section 31 series to worry about.
One cool detail: In one episode, we saw a late-night mess hall scene where a couple of little floating robots were cleaning up the place, repositioning chairs, and such; and in the finale, we saw some implausibly cute hull-repair drones operating outside the ship. The absence of onscreen robots in Trek has long been bizarre to me, but I think it's been implied on occasion that there are maintenance and repair robots operating behind the scenes. At least, the TNG Enterprise was presumed to be "self-cleaning" in some way. So I like the idea that maintenance drones of this sort have always been around, just never focused on because they generally operate when nobody's present. Don't be surprised if you see a mention of something of the sort in one of my future novels.
I'd like to think there are two different versions of Control. Maybe Control is so well hidden, Starfleet think it's gone and so they build another one which goes horribly wrong.
People generally assume he said "Ryan," and some have therefore asserted that Leslie's first name is Ryan, though why Spock would address a subordinate by his first name is questionable.
Interesting article I found while looking up yeoman colt. I, for one, would *much* have preferred a TOS with her instead of Rand/Whitney, thats for sure.
I've finally finished watching the season, and it's weird to me that the one thing we're obsessing over at this point is whether some bit player is Colt or not. What about something like, oh, whether the season is still reconcilable with the novelverse version of Control?
Probably because DSC just "decanonizes" novel-verse's Control (unless an enterprising writer wants to try and weld things together), while the Colt question is about how two things that are supposed to fit together do or do not. Besides, this's not the first time pieces of the novelverse had to go when the TV shows established alternative information.[/QUOTE]
People generally assume he said "Ryan," and some have therefore asserted that Leslie's first name is Ryan, though why Spock would address a subordinate by his first name is questionable.
Why not just have it be Eddie Paskey playing a different character with the last name Ryan? Lot of actors have played multiple characters before. Why are so many people determined to have Paskey playing the same character when irregardless of the logic holes (different names used, the fact that he played a character who died in the energy vampire episode, etc.)?
I see you didn't read my full post. As I said, I think it's already quite easy to reconcile this with the novels' Control, given what the novels have already established about Control's fondness for feints and false fronts. Since the whole basis of Dave Mack's Control narrative is "Nothing is as it seems," that makes it practically immune to contradiction.
The only Section 31-related thing in the novels that I feel has been invalidated by this season's events is the epilogue of Section 31: Cloak, which had Kirk and other command-level Starfleet officers speaking of Section 31 as a conspiracy they'd never heard of. But the rest of that book is still viable, I think.
The only other main conflict I see is with Burning Dreams and its version of Pike's father, and probably some of its events between "The Cage" and "The Menagerie," including the depiction of Pike's accident. That book probably has to go.
, while the Colt question is about how two things that are supposed to fit together do or do not.
Except the character name was never spoken onscreen and is thus easily dismissed. Until she's explicitly called "Yeoman Colt" in dialogue, then it's just angels on the head of a pin.
Why not just have it be Eddie Paskey playing a different character with the last name Ryan?
That was no doubt the intent -- the script just had a supernumerary character named "Ryan" and Paskey happened to be assigned the gig that day. But fans of the bit background players like to build characters up from whatever fragments are available.
I imagine the producers would prefer to save such revelations for the actual show. Any such prequel would probably not come out until after season 3 began.
I imagine the producers would prefer to save such revelations for the actual show. Any such prequel would probably not come out until after season 3 began.
Guess that depends on the scope of the novel and how much it reveals. I remember before Star Wars Episode I started in 1999, reading a comic released in October 1998 set in that time period that revealed a bit but not much about the GFFA at that time.
Guess that depends on the scope of the novel and how much it reveals. I remember before Star Wars Episode I started in 1999, reading a comic released in October 1998 set in that time period that revealed a bit but not much about the GFFA at that time.
Despite people's recurring tendency to expect Star Trek to do things the same way as Star Wars, it has very, very rarely been the case. They're from entirely unrelated studios and publishers, after all.
The meaningful precedents are the DSC novels we've already gotten. Desperate Hours came out in conjunction with the 2-part series premiere of the show, and it focused entirely on the Shenzhou (the ship featured in that premiere) and Pike's Enterprise, so it revealed nothing about things that would later be revealed on the show, such as Discovery itself, Captain Lorca, Stamets, spore drive, etc. The next three novels came out at or following the end of season 1 but were also prequels to it; the closest thing we got to foreshadowing was The Way to the Stars using some Tilly backstory that would be briefly mentioned in season 2. And the upcoming The Enterprise War, coming out after season 2, is a season 2 prequel about Pike's Enterprise. So the consistent pattern is that the novels only fill in show backstory after the show has established it. Thus my conclusion that we probably won't see a book about season 3 backstory until after season 3 begins.
Despite people's recurring tendency to expect Star Trek to do things the same way as Star Wars, it has very, very rarely been the case. They're from entirely unrelated studios and publishers, after all.
The meaningful precedents are the DSC novels we've already gotten. Desperate Hours came out in conjunction with the 2-part series premiere of the show, and it focused entirely on the Shenzhou (the ship featured in that premiere) and Pike's Enterprise, so it revealed nothing about things that would later be revealed on the show, such as Discovery itself, Captain Lorca, Stamets, spore drive, etc. The next three novels came out at or following the end of season 1 but were also prequels to it; the closest thing we got to foreshadowing was The Way to the Stars using some Tilly backstory that would be briefly mentioned in season 2. And the upcoming The Enterprise War, coming out after season 2, is a season 2 prequel about Pike's Enterprise. So the consistent pattern is that the novels only fill in show backstory after the show has established it. Thus my conclusion that we probably won't see a book about season 3 backstory until after season 3 begins.
You may be right. Now after i thought about it a bit more there is only one more exception for Star Trek but it might not mean much for Discovery, because Star Trek Into Darkness was made by Paramount not CBS.
There was a prequel comic to this movie, made by IDW, that was released some time before STID was in the cinemas.
You may be right. Now after i thought about it a bit more there is only one more exception for Star Trek but it might not mean much for Discovery, because Star Trek Into Darkness was made by Paramount not CBS.
There was a prequel comic to this movie, made by IDW, that was released some time before STID was in the cinemas.
That's true of the original Countdown too, I believe. But both of those were imperfect fits with the actual film continuity, as it turned out, since a film's story isn't definitively locked until the final edit, so any tie-in made before then runs the risk of being contradicted. It's probably better to wait until after before filling in the gaps.
That's true of the original Countdown too, I believe. But both of those were imperfect fits with the actual film continuity, as it turned out, since a film's story isn't definitively locked until the final edit, so any tie-in made before then runs the risk of being contradicted. It's probably better to wait until after before filling in the gaps.
Yeah, but it would still be nice to have sort of an appetizer before that captures the immagination and makes the waiting for Season 3 at least a bit easier
Yeah, but it would still be nice to have sort of an appetizer before that captures the immagination and makes the waiting for Season 3 at least a bit easier
