Disc an 'Unstoppable monster'

[Mirror Mirror]

The reverse is true as well I'm sure, some people will always say it's a big success as well.

The issue is, we have indication this is true. It was the most watched in demand show this week and has 10 million more people than the walking Dead talking about it. And all we ever see is "that does not count!". We have seen zero indication however, it is failing.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Bias goes both ways. Neither I--nor anyone else in this thread--has said Discovery is a failure.

The issue here is the article takes the exact opposite stance in a correlation fallacy based on inconclusive data.

 

[Ovation]

Success is defined by the investors. As long as they're happy, they'll keep offering their product. CBS has to be at least reasonably happy--it greenlit a second season before the first one was finished. That's about all we can say, or even reasonably infer.

 

[fireproof78]

Eh some folks will never accept DSC did not crash and burn.

It amazes me that there is a desire for DISCO to be failure.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Season two is already confirmed, so clearly the show is doing well enough. For fans of the show, what else matters?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It amazes me that there is a desire for DISCO to be failure.

Because it MUST fail so their opinion can be the correct one.

 

[Lord Garth]

In a show where anyone can die, the focus can shift, and it's on an online streaming service, this is the first Star Trek show that could theoretically go on indefinitely as long as CBS All Access and Netflix have costs covered and they're satisfied.

I think it would be great if this were the Star Trek show to get an eighth season.

Of course, I think it'll go 5-7, which seems to be the norm for Prestige TV. Call it a gut feeling.

 

[XCV330]

Star Trek Discovery isn't going anywhere. It's done well enough for season 2, and it's an established brand. The sets are built, and they'll most likely lose two of their most expensive actors of the payroll next year. Add to that they will rightfully expect the Tarantino Trek movie to draw attention their way and I would bet good money on a season 3, as its simply a good investment at this point to keep product out there. There aren't many bankable franchises left out there Disney doesn't own. Star Trek is gold, gold that hasn't been easily extracted for awhile, but it is there.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

It amazes me that there is a desire for DISCO to be failure.

DISCO isn't my cup of tea. I haven't watched any of the 2018 episodes, and I'm highly critical of the episodes I have seen. That said, I'm not hoping the show fails. I'm glad Trek is back on TV. Perhaps it will turn into a show I want to see somewhere down the line, or its success could lead to another Trek series that appeals to me. Anyone actively hoping it fails is ultimately cutting off their nose to spite their face.

 

[fireproof78]

DISCO isn't my cup of tea. I haven't watched any of the 2018 episodes, and I'm highly critical of the episodes I have seen. That said, I'm not hoping the show fails. I'm glad Trek is back on TV. Perhaps it will turn into a show I want to see somewhere down the line, or its success could lead to another Trek series that appeals to me. Anyone actively hoping it fails is ultimately cutting off their nose to spite their face.

The comment was not aimed at anyone who has decided it isn't for them.

 

[gblews]

Without any evidence, their "proof" is evidence of nothing. That's like saying Trump is doing well because billions of people talk about him worldwide every day.

People "talking" online about DSC has been highly underrated as an indicator of DSC's popularity. Take this site for example, and this site is a good sample size of Trek fans. The new episode threads in this forum generate upwards of 50 to 60 (and most times more) pages of comments every week. That's a lot of "interest". It was one of the biggest differences between DSC and The Orville, which I don't think ever generated more than 15 or 16 pages over the 7 days or so that a new episode thread is open. And that show is on broadcast TV. The fact is that DSC generates more interest whether that interest results in positive "talk" or critical "talk".

Now, we've all been in the DSC episode threads. There are fans discussing the episodes who liked everything about the episodes and similarly, there are also fans who do nothing but criticize the episodes. What they have in common is that they are all fans who are "interested" enough in DSC to watch the episodes and go online to discuss the show.

The only real "proof" here is that a lot of people downloaded Disco illegally and then went on-line and discussed what they saw. That is not tangible evidence of its success - or that it's an "unstopable monster."

No doubt you are right about there being fans who download DSC illegally (which happens with all POPULAR shows ) and who aren't really helping CBSAA and Netflix' numbers, but trying to frame this as an indication that DSC isn't that popular is a specious argument.
It is actually more indication of the show's high level of interest.

 

[Cyrus]

Any news about season 3? When can we start the hand wringing for that?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Any news about season 3? When can we start the hand wringing for that?

No clue when we get a season 2 yet. Streaming shows are not bound by the season per year thing really.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

The comment was not aimed at anyone who has decided it isn't for them.

No worries. I was agreeing with you.

 

[Cyrus]

No clue when we get a season 2 yet. Streaming shows are not bound by the season per year thing really.

There was mention of 2019 but no specific date. And it's not just streaming services. HBO is like that. There will be no GoT in 2018. And we got season 9 of Curb Your Enthusiasm after 6 years, though it seems like season 10 will come much faster, hopefully this year.

 

[Vger23]

So long as CBSAA subscription trends indicate DSC is having a positive impact, it will not go anywhere. This is double true if the international partnership with Netflix continues to yield results.

In fact, the more positive trend data CBS gets that links DSC to positive subscription numbers, the more likely we are to get other Star Trek products as well.

DSC's popularity and success can only be a great thing for the franchise.

All I ask is that they don't burn it out like the last era.

 

[Vger23]

My species was biologically determined for one purpose. To sense the coming of DSC haters who will post gaint, convoluted paragraphs explaining how inaccurate and worthless this kind of analysis is.

I sense them coming now.

 

[Donker]

Where are all these discussions on Discovery? TrekBBS, /r/StarTrek maybe, but like /r/Television doesn't really talk about it, I've never seen anyone talking about it on Social media, 4chans /tv/ board doesn't really talk about it, Hell even Youtube content seems to be pretty sparse on it.

Another point is, Discovery is broadcast internationally on Netflix and is one of the few new Netflix shows with new episodes every week. A show like the Orville television only.

Also despite being "popular" doesn't make it good, nor a good Star Trek series. Big Bang Theory is one of the most popular shows on earth and it's the most lame, poorly written things ever to grace television.

 

[Lord Garth]

Untrue on the YouTube Vidoes. I listen to several podcasts about every new episode of DSC.

Here's a list of the ones I regularly listen to:

The Pensky Podcast
Trekyards
feministfrequency
Ren Rants
Afterbuzz TV
Permanent RCRD

And then there are other podcasts I sometimes listen to:

Jawiin
Nerdotic Channel
Phil the Issues Guy
Mild Fuzz TV

And, then a whole list of other podcasts that I listen that I'm not going to list because I'm not going to make this post super, super, super long.

Point is: there is discussion about the show on YouTube, lots of it.

Type in "Star Trek Discovery", the episode in question, and "review" and "podcast" on a YouTube page and all kinds of podcasts will come up.

Of course, if you're not searching for it or intentionally not searching for anything (either way), you're not going to find anything because you're not looking for it.

 

[MvRojo]

Where are all these discussions on Discovery? TrekBBS, /r/StarTrek maybe, but like /r/Television doesn't really talk about it, I've never seen anyone talking about it on Social media, 4chans /tv/ board doesn't really talk about it, Hell even Youtube content seems to be pretty sparse on it.

Twitter. There are tons of posts every day, and the cast is very socially engaged, which is a positive for any production, including films. It's why a lot of tracking and prediction for box office takes it into account - the more socially engaged a cast, the higher the general awareness.